MaxPreps is a mess.

[The Heartland Archives]

MaxPreps is a big mess.

Here's an example....

• Palmetto Ridge has both Hardee and Lake Gibson scheduled for September 16 on MaxPreps.

• Lake Gibson has both Lee County GA and Palmetto Ridge scheduled for September 16 on MaxPreps.

• Lee County GA has both Lake Gibson and North Miami Beach scheduled for September 16 on MaxPreps.

And that's not all, I've seen a lot of mistakes on other teams' schedules on MaxPreps as well. Also there's still a lot of teams who have incomplete schedules on MaxPreps even though the start of the regular season is about 6 or 7 weeks away.

[DisabledAccount]

1 hour ago, The Heartland Archives said:

MaxPreps is a big mess.

Here's an example....

• Palmetto Ridge has both Hardee and Lake Gibson scheduled for September 16 on MaxPreps.

• Lake Gibson has both Lee County GA and Palmetto Ridge scheduled for September 16 on MaxPreps.

• Lee County GA has both Lake Gibson and North Miami Beach scheduled for September 16 on MaxPreps.

And that's not all, I've seen a lot of mistakes on other teams' schedules on MaxPreps as well. Also there's still a lot of teams who have incomplete schedules on MaxPreps even though the start of the regular season is about 6 or 7 weeks away.

In all fairness a lot of this comes from whoever puts the info in 

 

Just like some teams put JV games and rosters with the varsity or put preseason games down as regular season games on the schedule which messes it up across the board

[nolebull813]

Didn’t the FHSAA punt some responsibility to maxpreps? 
 

I guess the incompetent roll together heavy on this one. 

[DisabledAccount]

49 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Didn’t the FHSAA punt some responsibility to maxpreps? 
 

I guess the incompetent roll together heavy on this one. 

They made it mandatory for teams to put info into MaxPreps but some teams still do it incorrectly or don't do it at all 

 

There is also the aspect of the postseason rankings being done by MaxPreps because people whined about the RPI and point system before it when in reality a few simple fixes could have corrected the problem

[DarterBlue2]

55 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

They made it mandatory for teams to put info into MaxPreps but some teams still do it incorrectly or don't do it at all 

 

There is also the aspect of the postseason rankings being done by MaxPreps because people whined about the RPI and point system before it when in reality a few simple fixes could have corrected the problem

Depending on a database that is not accurate and is not properly maintained to get rankings is absurd in the extreme. If MaxPreps is compensated for what they are doing, they should install adequate controls over the process and there should be rules in place to penalize habitual offenders.

If MaxPreps finds it to be not worth their while to do their assigned task, they should step aside. 

[NHS Bob]

I think some of the teams mean well, but are not sure what does and doesn't go on the schedule. Perhaps if MaxPreps  would send out some guidelines, i.e., don't post Spring games, or Kickoff classics on the schedule, it might cut down on on some of the erroneous information. Maybe the AD needs to sign off on the schedule too.

I understand that this will not fix all of the ills, but it might be a good start

 

[Nulli Secundus]

As the governing body for high school athletics, the FHSAA should not have shifted duties to a 3rd party service when it has the capabilities to manage those functions. 

• Create a member portal where AD's are responsible for the accuracy of team schedules.  Oh wait! The FHSAA already has a member portal.  
• Create a database that contains team schedules for each sport and use that to cross reference and validate scheduled events.  In other words, Team A is scheduled to play Team B on Friday.  If Team A enters a date of Thursday while Team B accurately selects Friday, that event is flagged and notifications to confirm and correct are sent.  
• Provide a customer facing portal to us (Parents, students, alumni, media, colleges) in which we don't have to guess or get half-assed, erroneous information regarding team schedules.

There are only 2 reasons I can think of as to why this has not/will not happen: 

1. Money  - nothing is free.  Even so, there are relatively inexpensive options to implement and maintain.  I know middle schoolers that can hook this up in a day.
2. Lack of interest - Self-explanatory

The bottom line is the year is 2022.  TOTALY UNACCEPTABLE!

[coachmcg]

Maxpreps is usually synced up with each school's Hudl account.  It gets messy when coaches are not keeping their schedules updated in Hudl when they make changes and some times it takes a while for Maxpreps to sync back up with Hudl after changes are made. 

Most of the time Maxpreps, Head Coaches and Hudl get their crap together mid August and everything is fine....    

[DisabledAccount]

1 hour ago, NHS Bob said:

I think some of the teams mean well, but are not sure what does and doesn't go on the schedule. Perhaps if MaxPreps  would send out some guidelines, i.e., don't post Spring games, or Kickoff classics on the schedule, it might cut down on on some of the erroneous information. Maybe the AD needs to sign off on the schedule too.

I understand that this will not fix all of the ills, but it might be a good start

 

Well what people should also keep in mind is if you have a verified MaxPreps account (I actually have one despite not being a coach) you can enter scores and while I never actually attempt to do so I have seen some scores over the years Incorrect that if used in an algorithm and put in by someone who doesn't know what they are doing we will see more issues arise 

 

I get that coaches and ADs have much more important work to do than spend a bunch of time on MaxPreps but that becomes an issue when one coach not wanting to do it and decides to rush it or delegate it to someone else it has an impact on another teams ranking I think that is something that exposes an overall flaw in the system to begin with 

 

At least with RPI and point system all the FHSAA has to know is who won or lost a game to correctly input it but it feels like FHSAA is delegating to MaxPreps so they don't have to do the work even if it comes at the expense of other teams 

[DisabledAccount]

6 minutes ago, coachmcg said:

Maxpreps is usually synced up with each school's Hudl account.  It gets messy when coaches are not keeping their schedules updated in Hudl when they make changes and some times it takes a while for Maxpreps to sync back up with Hudl after changes are made. 

Most of the time Maxpreps, Head Coaches and Hudl get their crap together mid August and everything is fine....    

That's true but I think the concern is more about those times when it doesn't happen 

 

I still personally feel that the point system and RPI both respectively could have worked if a few changes were made to the postseason and classification breakdown (metro suburban is one of those fixes) another would have been either expanding some regions or cutting classes down to 2 regions in each class to cut down on the regions where 2/3 of the teams made the playoffs which would have prevented several first and second round blowouts

 

But I am willing to give it a year before fully giving up on it but it did feel like a change that kicks the real issue further down the road 

[DisabledAccount]

3 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:

Depending on a database that is not accurate and is not properly maintained to get rankings is absurd in the extreme. If MaxPreps is compensated for what they are doing, they should install adequate controls over the process and there should be rules in place to penalize habitual offenders.

If MaxPreps finds it to be not worth their while to do their assigned task, they should step aside. 

Number 1 risk of outsourcing is that a third party may not take the same level of care as someone directly involved in it 

[skyway]

6 hours ago, Nulli Secundus said:

As the governing body for high school athletics, the FHSAA should not have shifted duties to a 3rd party service when it has the capabilities to manage those functions. 

• Create a member portal where AD's are responsible for the accuracy of team schedules.  Oh wait! The FHSAA already has a member portal.  
• Create a database that contains team schedules for each sport and use that to cross reference and validate scheduled events.  In other words, Team A is scheduled to play Team B on Friday.  If Team A enters a date of Thursday while Team B accurately selects Friday, that event is flagged and notifications to confirm and correct are sent.  
• Provide a customer facing portal to us (Parents, students, alumni, media, colleges) in which we don't have to guess or get half-assed, erroneous information regarding team schedules.

There are only 2 reasons I can think of as to why this has not/will not happen: 

1. Money  - nothing is free.  Even so, there are relatively inexpensive options to implement and maintain.  I know middle schoolers that can hook this up in a day.
2. Lack of interest - Self-explanatory

The bottom line is the year is 2022.  TOTALY UNACCEPTABLE!

^^^ 

[Nulli Secundus]

On 7/9/2022 at 7:36 PM, The Heartland Archives said:

MaxPreps is a big mess.

Here's an example....

• Palmetto Ridge has both Hardee and Lake Gibson scheduled for September 16 on MaxPreps.

• Lake Gibson has both Lee County GA and Palmetto Ridge scheduled for September 16 on MaxPreps.

• Lee County GA has both Lake Gibson and North Miami Beach scheduled for September 16 on MaxPreps.

And that's not all, I've seen a lot of mistakes on other teams' schedules on MaxPreps as well. Also there's still a lot of teams who have incomplete schedules on MaxPreps even though the start of the regular season is about 6 or 7 weeks away.

Again, that's on the FHSAA and the partnership that was so badly needed, per their public relations specialist:  XTRA POINT: FHSAA and MaxPreps reach much-needed partnership

If anyone can actually find the FHSAA meeting archives that outline this "need", kudos to you!

Interesting enough, the article points out that $100 fines could be leveraged against schools that don't maintain accurate score and team information.  

[Nulli Secundus]

On 7/11/2022 at 10:54 AM, DarterBlue2 said:

Depending on a database that is not accurate and is not properly maintained to get rankings is absurd in the extreme. If MaxPreps is compensated for what they are doing, they should install adequate controls over the process and there should be rules in place to penalize habitual offenders.

If MaxPreps finds it to be not worth their while to do their assigned task, they should step aside. 

Based on the little info I was able to find, the FHSAA is compensated for using MaxPreps, $85,000 a year through June 2022.

FHSAA deal with MaxPreps does not require use of rankings - Article is behind a paywall but if you are quick, you know how to read it.  That's all I'll say.

[Nulli Secundus]

On 7/11/2022 at 2:23 PM, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Number 1 risk of outsourcing is that a third party may not take the same level of care as someone directly involved in it 

Very true.  To add insult to injury, that 3rd party which I refuse to name again doesn't have to care because they are willing to pay for and get what they wanted on day 1: EXCLUSIVE EXPOSURE TO THE FLORIDA MARKET!

Does anyone think the FHSAA is going to cancel that deal?