Lake Mary Rams vs. Osceola Kowboys stream

[ohs vargas]

 

[Ray Icaza]

Just got home from the game which I know is a heartbreaker for our kids who went in believing they would win.  Final score 24-7 congrats to Lake Mary.  The outcome of the game was probably decided in the first quarter when Taevion ran left went up in the air trying to avoid a tackler and got tripped up landing awkwardly on his shoulder.  Won't speculate on the nature of his injury, but he left the game to not return obviously putting us at a distinct disadvantage offensively.  As I firmly believed, our defense played lights out and despite not having any offense for the rest of the half, they led 3-0.  Darter, you are a good friend and Grubbs is a great player but my main point was regardless the circumstance this guy isn't getting 49 points against our defense.  That prediction proved correct as he probably dinked and dunked his way to maybe 200 yards thru the air with virtually no production on the ground.  They produced their best drive to start the second half going 80 yards to take a 10-0 lead.  Later in the half they were able to keep drives alive with a questionable spot converting a short run on 4th down where our coaches demanded a measurement which the refs refused simply moving the chains and giving it to them.  Then on a 3rd and long our DB Kyri Watson broke up a long pass attempt cleanly where he simply looked down the receiver and they flagged him for an unsportsmanlike conduct moving the ball into scoring position to take a 17-0 lead.  The home field advantage also proved crucial as to give Grubbs time they held on virtually every pass play and never once got flagged for it or any other penalty the entire game until there were 2 minutes remaining in the game.  Both teams score a TD during garbage time. Lakeland fans be prepared to be held as they won't call it on them, even when they are blatantly obvious.  They have a good defense, but not great so if you are able to move the ball and from all I read your defense may be the best in the state you should win.  If we would have had our main weapon on offense throughout the game, they may still have won but wouldn't have gotten more than 14 points by us moving the ball and limiting their touches.  No offense led to too many possessions for them and as out defense tired, they were able to take a bit of advantage.  Disappointed, but I don't believe anyone ever won a championship the second game of the season.  

[DarterBlue2]

I just watched the video of the entire game. Lake Mary has a very good defensive front, better than it was last year. Grubbs has yet to establish chemistry with his new crop of receivers (they only returned one starter from last year). Teams that depend on running the ball exclusively against Lake Mary will have a lot of trouble scoring. Teams that move the ball through the air will score their fair share of touchdowns. 

Until it's final drive of the game, Osceola probably had less than 75 yards of total offense. Losing their principal running back early in the first hurt. However, it is noteworthy that their only sustained drive came when they threw a number of short passes effectively. 

The call against the Osceola DB looked questionable and can only be justified if he said something totally disrespectful to the Lake Mary receiver. Not being there, I don't know. I also agree that there should have been a physical measurement on fourth down when the ball was just given back to LM. Frankly, I don't know if LM converted the first down or not. But it certainly was very close either way and five years ago would have been measured. 

If Lakeland has a sound passing game to go with its vaunted defense, they will win. However, if as in the past, they rely on trying to pound the ball, Lake Mary has a live chance of winning at home. It should be an interesting game and I plan to attend it. 

[Ray Icaza]

2 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:

I just watched the video of the entire game. Lake Mary has a very good defensive front, better than it was last year. Grubbs has yet to establish chemistry with his new crop of receivers (they only returned one starter from last year). Teams that depend on running the ball exclusively against Lake Mary will have a lot of trouble scoring. Teams that move the ball through the air will score their fair share of touchdowns. 

 

 

 

Until it's final drive of the game, Osceola probably had less than 75 yards of total offense. Losing their principal running back early in the first hurt. However, it is noteworthy that their only sustained drive came when they threw a number of short passes effectively. 

 

The call against the Osceola DB looked questionable and can only be justified if he said something totally disrespectful to the Lake Mary receiver. Not being there, I don't know. I also agree that there should have been a physical measurement on fourth down when the ball was just given back to LM. Frankly, I don't know if LM converted the first down or not. But it certainly was very close either way and five years ago would have been measured. 

If Lakeland has a sound passing game to go with its vaunted defense, they will win. However, if as in the past, they rely on trying to pound the ball, Lake Mary has a live chance of winning at home. It should be an interesting game and I plan to attend it. 

Thanks for your take as your reference to our inability to run the ball I explained why I thought the game was decided when he went out.  It didn't help missing two OL including 6'7" - 300 lb. D1 tackle Marcus Ferrer who we will eventually get back on the field.  Just read HC EP comments in our local paper this morning and Swint suffered the shoulder injury on his very first carry of the game although he tried to continue for a bit after that.  I would beg to differ in your take of losing our PRINCIPAL RB as the Orlando Sentinel described him as the best back in our entire area and some think in the entire state.  Watched the podcast by Lo Woods with Gavin Nix (IMG LB) when he made his commitment to UM with interest as he grew up and played for Kissimmee alongside Taevion Swint as a RB before switching to LB.  Both he and his dad on that podcast without prompting claimed Taevion is the best back he ever played against including the ones currently at IMG.  He is a weapon that our entire offense is designed around and if the shoe was on the other foot with LM losing Noah Grubbs from the start that would have been the headline if we won.  Again, don't know the seriousness of the injury and yes we were slow to adjust what we needed to do on offense to move the ball.  Don't know about the whole chemistry thing with his receivers, just remember your statement he could put up 7 TD's against any team in the state on any given night.  My belief was he couldn't do that against us "ON ANY NIGHT"!  Our defense isn't talked about like the team the Dreadnaughts have, but if they are as advertised and can run the ball with a few passes mixed in they will win.  Just be prepared to play thru the holding that will not be called to protect Grubbs.  

[Ray Icaza]

8 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Thanks for your take as your reference to our inability to run the ball I explained why I thought the game was decided when he went out.  It didn't help missing two OL including 6'7" - 300 lb. D1 tackle Marcus Ferrer who we will eventually get back on the field.  Just read HC EP comments in our local paper this morning and Swint suffered the shoulder injury on his very first carry of the game although he tried to continue for a bit after that.  I would beg to differ in your take of losing our PRINCIPAL RB as the Orlando Sentinel described him as the best back in our entire area and some think in the entire state.  Watched the podcast by Lo Woods with Gavin Nix (IMG LB) when he made his commitment to UM with interest as he grew up and played for Kissimmee alongside Taevion Swint as a RB before switching to LB.  Both he and his dad on that podcast without prompting claimed Taevion is the best back he ever played against including the ones currently at IMG.  He is a weapon that our entire offense is designed around and if the shoe was on the other foot with LM losing Noah Grubbs from the start that would have been the headline if we won.  Again, don't know the seriousness of the injury and yes we were slow to adjust what we needed to do on offense to move the ball.  Don't know about the whole chemistry thing with his receivers, just remember your statement he could put up 7 TD's against any team in the state on any given night.  My belief was he couldn't do that against us "ON ANY NIGHT"!  Our defense isn't talked about like the team the Dreadnaughts have, but if they are as advertised and can run the ball with a few passes mixed in they will win.  Just be prepared to play thru the holding that will not be called to protect Grubbs.  

Just think, 2 UM commits from Kissimmee at LB ..... Gavin Nix and Elijah Melendez, what a pair. 

[DarterBlue2]

4 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Thanks for your take as your reference to our inability to run the ball I explained why I thought the game was decided when he went out.  It didn't help missing two OL including 6'7" - 300 lb. D1 tackle Marcus Ferrer who we will eventually get back on the field.  Just read HC EP comments in our local paper this morning and Swint suffered the shoulder injury on his very first carry of the game although he tried to continue for a bit after that.  I would beg to differ in your take of losing our PRINCIPAL RB as the Orlando Sentinel described him as the best back in our entire area and some think in the entire state.  Watched the podcast by Lo Woods with Gavin Nix (IMG LB) when he made his commitment to UM with interest as he grew up and played for Kissimmee alongside Taevion Swint as a RB before switching to LB.  Both he and his dad on that podcast without prompting claimed Taevion is the best back he ever played against including the ones currently at IMG.  He is a weapon that our entire offense is designed around and if the shoe was on the other foot with LM losing Noah Grubbs from the start that would have been the headline if we won.  Again, don't know the seriousness of the injury and yes we were slow to adjust what we needed to do on offense to move the ball.  Don't know about the whole chemistry thing with his receivers, just remember your statement he could put up 7 TD's against any team in the state on any given night.  My belief was he couldn't do that against us "ON ANY NIGHT"!  Our defense isn't talked about like the team the Dreadnaughts have, but if they are as advertised and can run the ball with a few passes mixed in they will win.  Just be prepared to play thru the holding that will not be called to protect Grubbs.  

Swint is a very, very good running back. But I have seen better over the 26 seasons I have spent watching high school football, mostly in Central Florida. In fact, Osceola had a better back in "Bubba" Brown back when they made the run at a state title in either 2008 or 2007, I forget which. And, I would rank Samaj Fleming of Edgewater as an equal of Swint. True they are very different kinds of football players, so a comparison of what each brings to the table is probably not very worthwhile. 

I read @Jullian's comments about Grubbs with interest. He stated that he missed his receivers most of the night against Cardinal Gibbons. He largely did the same against Osceola each time he went deep. It may be that I may have overestimated his overall accuracy based on the receiving group he had last year. Three of the 4 were seniors and have graduated and they have a "new bunch". To the eye they all look the part; and he has about six to work with instead of four like he did last year. But it just seemed to me that the route running and passing were off. I expect as the season progresses,  it will improve. If it does, LM's offense will be like a well oiled machine and I can see a potential showdown with Venice in the state title game or semi finals. 

[Nulli Secundus]

54 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:

Swint is a very, very good running back. But I have seen better over the 26 seasons I have spent watching high school football, mostly in Central Florida. In fact, Osceola had a better back in "Bubba" Brown back when they made the run at a state title in either 2008 or 2007, I forget which. And, I would rank Samaj Fleming of Edgewater as an equal of Swint. True they are very different kinds of football players, so a comparison of what each brings to the table is probably not very worthwhile. 

I read @Jullian's comments about Grubbs with interest. He stated that he missed his receivers most of the night against Cardinal Gibbons. He largely did the same against Osceola each time he went deep. It may be that I may have overestimated his overall accuracy based on the receiving group he had last year. Three of the 4 were seniors and have graduated and they have a "new bunch". To the eye they all look the part; and he has about six to work with instead of four like he did last year. But it just seemed to me that the route running and passing were off. I expect as the season progresses,  it will improve. If it does, LM's offense will be like a well oiled machine and I can see a potential showdown with Venice in the state title game or semi finals. 

It was 2007.  Osceola upended Lakeland twice that season for the district title, then in the playoffs.

[Ray Icaza]

2 hours ago, Nulli Secundus said:

It was 2007.  Osceola upended Lakeland twice that season for the district title, then in the playoffs.

True about Bubba, but Swint got over 100 yards at your place (state semi-final) in 2022 as a sophomore against that vaunted Dreadnaught defense in a game we lost due to poor QB play.  My take is not a snub on Lake Mary nor Noah Grubbs and we are all entitled to our opinions.  Undoubtedly there have been better backs and in the future that will also hold true.  I don't need to dig as deep in opining about talent as in my humble opinion, 2 QB's I have watched that are currently playing who I rate better are Brady Hart at Cocoa and Tramell Jones at Mandarin.  What I am convinced of is the quality of our defense as we held Edgewater and Deland scoreless in the Spring Game, with the same for Bishop Moore in the KOC during the first half against our 1's.   We followed up with another shutout week 1 against Treasure Coast, so felt we could win a 17-14 type game against Lake Mary with Swint at full strength.  He isn't simply talented but can be used receiving an also as a decoy which is how Sinophat gained 111 yards vs Treasure Coast last week.  Without him in the backfield we were toothless running and with regards of Semaj Fleming brought up by Darter, total respect.  His dad played RB for OHS in the mid 90's and was also very good, but Semaj is not a running back.  As I previously brought up our local paper promotes him alot but if you sat in those stands in May for the Spring game vs Edgewater clearly Swint was the best offensive weapon on the field bar none.   Just my take but respect the opinions of others. 

[ohs vargas]

On 8/31/2024 at 10:38 AM, Ray Icaza said:

Thanks for your take as your reference to our inability to run the ball I explained why I thought the game was decided when he went out.  It didn't help missing two OL including 6'7" - 300 lb. D1 tackle Marcus Ferrer who we will eventually get back on the field.  Just read HC EP comments in our local paper this morning and Swint suffered the shoulder injury on his very first carry of the game although he tried to continue for a bit after that.  I would beg to differ in your take of losing our PRINCIPAL RB as the Orlando Sentinel described him as the best back in our entire area and some think in the entire state.  Watched the podcast by Lo Woods with Gavin Nix (IMG LB) when he made his commitment to UM with interest as he grew up and played for Kissimmee alongside Taevion Swint as a RB before switching to LB.  Both he and his dad on that podcast without prompting claimed Taevion is the best back he ever played against including the ones currently at IMG.  He is a weapon that our entire offense is designed around and if the shoe was on the other foot with LM losing Noah Grubbs from the start that would have been the headline if we won.  Again, don't know the seriousness of the injury and yes we were slow to adjust what we needed to do on offense to move the ball.  Don't know about the whole chemistry thing with his receivers, just remember your statement he could put up 7 TD's against any team in the state on any given night.  My belief was he couldn't do that against us "ON ANY NIGHT"!  Our defense isn't talked about like the team the Dreadnaughts have, but if they are as advertised and can run the ball with a few passes mixed in they will win.  Just be prepared to play thru the holding that will not be called to protect Grubbs.  

Those 2 starting Oline man and Swint out definitely hurts, hope they can all be healthy come playoff time.

One thing im curious about is the QB play, they have been rotating both qbs (Cam & Izaiah) in most of the games. 

The few drives Osceola has been under shotgun to pass, have all been with Cam at QB. Dont get me wrong Cam is good but he's more of a dual threat.

Where they have yet to even give Izaiah (the transfer from Oak Ridge) a chance in a shotgun formation and see what he can do, all his snaps have been under center, 95% of his snaps being run plays. I feel he can help this offense in the passing game more, they have yet to utilize him to his strengths. I get it Osceola's a run at you first team but they need to do something new when they come across a team that can stop the run like Lake Mary did. That 0 firsts downs for nearly the entire game aint cutting it.

[Longtime Observer]

Osceola and Apopka appear to have a similar problem: lack of imagination on offense. Both programs have far too many great athletes coming through to struggle to score as much as they have. I did love the approach with the 2022 Kowboy team, but that was a special defense and unique team. Ditto the 2021 Apopka team. Moving forward, I think both programs will have to open some thing up more on the offensive side of the ball. The top offenses of today are too good to hold down for four quarters in hopes of winning 14-10 games.  

[Longtime Observer]

Watching the game today, and realized that Osceola was able to eat half of a quarter (the 2nd half of the 2nd quarter) without gaining a single first down. The Kowboys also managed to bleed 50 seconds off the clock after an incomplete pass on their first possession of the 3rd quarter. It seems the final score was as indicative of Osceola's offensive game plan and excessive clock running by the clock operator as much as it was a strong defensive performance.

[Ray Icaza]

7 hours ago, ohs vargas said:

Those 2 starting Oline man and Swint out definitely hurts, hope they can all be healthy come playoff time.

One thing im curious about is the QB play, they have been rotating both qbs (Cam & Izaiah) in most of the games. 

The few drives Osceola has been under shotgun to pass, have all been with Cam at QB. Dont get me wrong Cam is good but he's more of a dual threat.

Where they have yet to even give Izaiah (the transfer from Oak Ridge) a chance in a shotgun formation and see what he can do, all his snaps have been under center, 95% of his snaps being run plays. I feel he can help this offense in the passing game more, they have yet to utilize him to his strengths. I get it Osceola's a run at you first team but they need to do something new when they come across a team that can stop the run like Lake Mary did. That 0 firsts downs for nearly the entire game aint cutting it.

 

7 hours ago, ohs vargas said:

Those 2 starting Oline man and Swint out definitely hurts, hope they can all be healthy come playoff time.

One thing im curious about is the QB play, they have been rotating both qbs (Cam & Izaiah) in most of the games. 

The few drives Osceola has been under shotgun to pass, have all been with Cam at QB. Dont get me wrong Cam is good but he's more of a dual threat.

Where they have yet to even give Izaiah (the transfer from Oak Ridge) a chance in a shotgun formation and see what he can do, all his snaps have been under center, 95% of his snaps being run plays. I feel he can help this offense in the passing game more, they have yet to utilize him to his strengths. I get it Osceola's a run at you first team but they need to do something new when they come across a team that can stop the run like Lake Mary did. That 0 firsts downs for nearly the entire game aint cutting it.

The HC has been pretty clear this year his intent is to "Pound the Rock".  Especially miss Taevion and the big tackle Marcus Ferrer in that offensive philosophy.   I happen to agree with that scheme based solely on "Personnel".  Neither QB is great throwing it but can throw in spots which I happen to believe shouldn't be waiting till 3rd and long instead striking deep on 1st down now and then.  I attend regular practices and what I see there has translated to the game, which is the offense they are utilizing requires a QB to run some.  The kid from Oak Ridge has shown little in that regard and my humble opinion is they should stick strictly with Cam whether under center or in the shotgun is irrelevant.  If we were in the business of going out and recruiting QB's like the team Longtime Observer supports, we could have a more "DYNAMIC" offense, but we play with the hand we are dealt.  As far as holding down dynamic offenses, those games generally are shootouts as they can't stop anyone.  He talks about the offenses of today yet seems to forget that just 2 short years ago in the actual state championship game between us and Lakeland the final was 14-7!!!  Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is simply mine. 

 

[ohs vargas]

12 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:

 

The HC has been pretty clear this year his intent is to "Pound the Rock".  Especially miss Taevion and the big tackle Marcus Ferrer in that offensive philosophy.   I happen to agree with that scheme based solely on "Personnel".  Neither QB is great throwing it but can throw in spots which I happen to believe shouldn't be waiting till 3rd and long instead striking deep on 1st down now and then.  I attend regular practices and what I see there has translated to the game, which is the offense they are utilizing requires a QB to run some.  The kid from Oak Ridge has shown little in that regard and my humble opinion is they should stick strictly with Cam whether under center or in the shotgun is irrelevant.  If we were in the business of going out and recruiting QB's like the team Longtime Observer supports, we could have a more "DYNAMIC" offense, but we play with the hand we are dealt.  As far as holding down dynamic offenses, those games generally are shootouts as they can't stop anyone.  He talks about the offenses of today yet seems to forget that just 2 short years ago in the actual state championship game between us and Lakeland the final was 14-7!!!  Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is simply mine. 

 

Yeah I read somewhere EP intends to stick to the og way and run the ball. I get that, but having the personnel to run the ball and spread some teams out helps give Swint, Jenkins (one of the best weapons they need to get the ball in his hands more), etc. so many more opportunities. You mentioned swint going for 100+ his sophmore season against lakeland, a big reason for that is the offense that year was very balanced they could pass and run.  (The QB that yaer Buggs was not a mobile QB either).  Izaiah is a pocket passer not a dual threat, in my opinion he would have been a great fit in the scheme they used before with Buggs. 

[Ray Icaza]

46 minutes ago, ohs vargas said:

Yeah I read somewhere EP intends to stick to the og way and run the ball. I get that, but having the personnel to run the ball and spread some teams out helps give Swint, Jenkins (one of the best weapons they need to get the ball in his hands more), etc. so many more opportunities. You mentioned swint going for 100+ his sophmore season against lakeland, a big reason for that is the offense that year was very balanced they could pass and run.  (The QB that yaer Buggs was not a mobile QB either).  Izaiah is a pocket passer not a dual threat, in my opinion he would have been a great fit in the scheme they used before with Buggs. 

Again, just a difference of opinion and I appreciate your view.  In mine, Buggs should have never stepped on the field but they should have started Gunner Holland who could run for the entire year.  Leading 7-0 after halftime in the semi-final game, we marched down the field primarily behind the running of Swint to about the Lakeland 15 yard line.  On second and 3, we opted for your strategy and told Buggs to throw a corner route if it was open otherwise throw it out of the endzone.  Instead, he panicked heaved it into the middle of the field for a stupid pick which turned the tide of the game.  Buggs was so efficient he delivered 0 TD's and 3 PICKS!!!  Izaiah appears to be a real nice kid, but not the answer in my view as in the few plays they gave him a look he took a sack and then mispitched the ball for a fumble LM recovered inside our 20 for an easy score.  I have no dog in the hunt, just don't believe in the back and forth between QB's rather tap one on the shoulder and tell him "YOUR MY GUY"!!  

[Ray Icaza]

17 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Again, just a difference of opinion and I appreciate your view.  In mine, Buggs should have never stepped on the field but they should have started Gunner Holland who could run for the entire year.  Leading 7-0 after halftime in the semi-final game, we marched down the field primarily behind the running of Swint to about the Lakeland 15 yard line.  On second and 3, we opted for your strategy and told Buggs to throw a corner route if it was open otherwise throw it out of the endzone.  Instead, he panicked heaved it into the middle of the field for a stupid pick which turned the tide of the game.  Buggs was so efficient he delivered 0 TD's and 3 PICKS!!!  Izaiah appears to be a real nice kid, but not the answer in my view as in the few plays they gave him a look he took a sack and then mispitched the ball for a fumble LM recovered inside our 20 for an easy score.  I have no dog in the hunt, just don't believe in the back and forth between QB's rather tap one on the shoulder and tell him "YOUR MY GUY"!!  

In the case you may have not known, Buggs never played 11-man football only 8-man till he landed on our campus as a senior.  Gunner's dad played on our state championship so he came up through our program and was only a junior who could have been a strong asset for us as a senior last year.  He opted to focus only on wrestling if he wasn't going to start which left us with an inexperienced, undersized sophomore with no Swint.  Yes, hindsight is 20-20 but that was my opinion back then and it hasn't changed.  Good bit of news is I don't think Swint will be out long as we may not need him for the next couple of weeks till we take on Jones. 

[ohs vargas]

5 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:

Again, just a difference of opinion and I appreciate your view.  In mine, Buggs should have never stepped on the field but they should have started Gunner Holland who could run for the entire year.  Leading 7-0 after halftime in the semi-final game, we marched down the field primarily behind the running of Swint to about the Lakeland 15 yard line.  On second and 3, we opted for your strategy and told Buggs to throw a corner route if it was open otherwise throw it out of the endzone.  Instead, he panicked heaved it into the middle of the field for a stupid pick which turned the tide of the game.  Buggs was so efficient he delivered 0 TD's and 3 PICKS!!!  Izaiah appears to be a real nice kid, but not the answer in my view as in the few plays they gave him a look he took a sack and then mispitched the ball for a fumble LM recovered inside our 20 for an easy score.  I have no dog in the hunt, just don't believe in the back and forth between QB's rather tap one on the shoulder and tell him "YOUR MY GUY"!!  

 

5 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:

Again, just a difference of opinion and I appreciate your view.  In mine, Buggs should have never stepped on the field but they should have started Gunner Holland who could run for the entire year.  Leading 7-0 after halftime in the semi-final game, we marched down the field primarily behind the running of Swint to about the Lakeland 15 yard line.  On second and 3, we opted for your strategy and told Buggs to throw a corner route if it was open otherwise throw it out of the endzone.  Instead, he panicked heaved it into the middle of the field for a stupid pick which turned the tide of the game.  Buggs was so efficient he delivered 0 TD's and 3 PICKS!!!  Izaiah appears to be a real nice kid, but not the answer in my view as in the few plays they gave him a look he took a sack and then mispitched the ball for a fumble LM recovered inside our 20 for an easy score.  I have no dog in the hunt, just don't believe in the back and forth between QB's rather tap one on the shoulder and tell him "YOUR MY GUY"!!  

Yes, Gunner was great (more of a dual threat), but I think they went with the right candidate in Buggs (more of a pocket passer).

Your right they drove down the field with ease with Swint and should of stuck to that. It was a horrible pass, miss communication with the reciever and very bad throw your correct.

However, you are wrong on the statline he had 1 passing TD (to mascoe) and it was the only touchdown of the game for the Kowboys against Lakeland.

I will have my view of it and just hope they can get together for South Dade, who comes in to town with a win over Homestead, should be a good one..

[ohs vargas]

5 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:

In the case you may have not known, Buggs never played 11-man football only 8-man till he landed on our campus as a senior.  Gunner's dad played on our state championship so he came up through our program and was only a junior who could have been a strong asset for us as a senior last year.  He opted to focus only on wrestling if he wasn't going to start which left us with an inexperienced, undersized sophomore with no Swint.  Yes, hindsight is 20-20 but that was my opinion back then and it hasn't changed.  Good bit of news is I don't think Swint will be out long as we may not need him for the next couple of weeks till we take on Jones. 

Yes, i recall him transferring from a 8 man school. 

I believe Gunner may have been great as a senior in football, but honestly think he made the right decision based on what he has accomplished already this year in wrestling alone.

Great to hear its nothing serious on Swint!