Jax TCA vs BTW

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3 minutes ago, Proseteye said:

Going on 6 years playing the best teams in the nation IMG has lost only two games. Both losses 2014 and 2018 were to arguably the top team in the nation. Instead of accepting the fact that IMG is a Florida high school team based in Florida and where the players live for most of the year, some of us make lite of this fact. Yes, IMG does recruit as every private school and many public schools do. Yes, IMG has students from all over the US and the world. However, I would bet that nearly half of their students are already from Florida. They just have superb coaching and campus facilities unlike many schools in Florida. They are also a boarding school where the campus is their home 24/7 very similar to many colleges. I have no idea why a few people have a consistent hard on for this school and its team. Just accept the fact that they are, in spite of opposing opinions, a Florida school. They do represent the state of Florida when they play teams from other states. Can we not be proud of a team that can regularly hang with and usually defeat some of the best teams in the country? Those opposing teams recognize IMG as a Florida team, you can be sure. To have folks in Florida not recognize them as a Florida team is pretty sad. After all, the team is made up of players that are exactly the same as every other high school team in the country. The same age, size, and disposition as the rest. As such, can't we all agree to accept IMG for the talented team that they are and get on with it? After all, they are just a bunch of high school kids who work hard and who are proud of what they have accomplished.

A school that has been around for the length of a sneeze being labeled far superior to everyone in Florida which is what so many on here do is a slap in the face to every program who has earned their stripes to let some makeshift travel team think they make everyone else look weak in comparison

 

Yes they are talented but don't sit here acting like nobody in Florida is capable of beating them 

 

 

I hope SFA running clocks that wannabe travel team just so everyone here can shut up with the constant disrespect towards FL by propping them up like they the only FL team that is good when they have advantages that no school has in Florida because our moron state legislation gives them money yearly and intentionally underfunds public schools to leave them scraped for cash

 

 

Give IMG a public school budget to work with and they won't go 5-5

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35 minutes ago, Proseteye said:

Going on 6 years playing the best teams in the nation IMG has lost only two games. Both losses 2014 and 2018 were to arguably the top team in the nation. Instead of accepting the fact that IMG is a Florida high school team based in Florida and where the players live for most of the year, some of us make trivial of this fact. Yes, IMG does recruit as every private school and many public schools do. Yes, IMG has students from all over the US and the world. However, I would bet that nearly half of their students are already from Florida. They just have superb coaching and campus facilities unlike many schools in Florida. They are also a boarding school where the campus is their home 24/7 very similar to many colleges. I have no idea why a few people have a consistent hard on for this school and its team. Just accept the fact that they are, in spite of opposing opinions, a Florida school. They do represent the state of Florida when they play teams from other states. Can we not be proud of a team that can regularly hang with and usually defeat some of the best teams in the country? Those opposing teams recognize IMG as a Florida team, you can be sure. To have folks in Florida not recognize them as a Florida team is petty at best. After all, the team is made up of players that are exactly the same as every other high school team in the country. The same age, size, and disposition as the rest. As such, can't we all agree to accept IMG for the talented team that they are and get on with it? After all, they are just a bunch of high school kids who work hard and who are proud of what they have accomplished.

Calling IMG a Florida is an insult. The team recruits, they run a damn football academy (literally on their website they are advertised as a football academy), these aren't students who happen to play football, they are football players who happen to show up at the same school. 

I was originally going to show you how many of just the seniors have played all 4 years at IMG, but since there are 35 years and the MaxPreps system is slow. I will just link to an article about one of them (a California native), the article also mentions that IMG has 30 newcomers for this season.  30!!!! They aren't made even close to the same way that the average football team is made. Heck, even the Trinity Christian, Bolles, STA, usually are somewhat limited by their geographical area. These guys aren't. 

Look, we all understand IMG is a very talented collection of players, but that is what they are, a collection of players. They aren't a team in any sense of the word. They are 4* and 5* kids who have sugar daddies who want them to go to IMG so they will be better football players, not better people. Hell, the college scandal that broke last year involved one of the people on their staff as the guy who took the exams for the kids. Sorry, IMG is not a high school football team. They are a football factory that happens to reside in Florida with pre-College players, but calling them anything near a high school team is crazy. 

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/2019/07/105539/elias-ricks-arrives-at-img-with-decisions-left-to-make

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33 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

A school that has been around for the length of a sneeze being labeled far superior to everyone in Florida which is what so many on here do is a slap in the face to every program who has earned their stripes to let some makeshift travel team think they make everyone else look weak in comparison

 

Yes they are talented but don't sit here acting like nobody in Florida is capable of beating them 

 

 

I hope SFA running clocks that wannabe travel team just so everyone here can shut up with the constant disrespect towards FL by propping them up like they the only FL team that is good when they have advantages that no school has in Florida because our moron state legislation gives them money yearly and intentionally underfunds public schools to leave them scraped for cash

 

 

Give IMG a public school budget to work with and they won't go 5-5

If SFA kills them it will make Florida football look worse.

 

A team only being around for a few years doesn't mean they can't be far superior to the other teams.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:

Calling IMG a Florida is an insult. The team recruits, they run a damn football academy (literally on their website they are advertised as a football academy), these aren't students who happen to play football, they are football players who happen to show up at the same school. 

I was originally going to show you how many of just the seniors have played all 4 years at IMG, but since there are 35 years and the MaxPreps system is slow. I will just link to an article about one of them (a California native), the article also mentions that IMG has 30 newcomers for this season.  30!!!! They aren't made even close to the same way that the average football team is made. Heck, even the Trinity Christian, Bolles, STA, usually are somewhat limited by their geographical area. These guys aren't. 

Look, we all understand IMG is a very talented collection of players, but that is what they are, a collection of players. They aren't a team in any sense of the word. They are 4* and 5* kids who have sugar daddies who want them to go to IMG so they will be better football players, not better people. Hell, the college scandal that broke last year involved one of the people on their staff as the guy who took the exams for the kids. Sorry, IMG is not a high school football team. They are a football factory that happens to reside in Florida with pre-College players, but calling them anything near a high school team is crazy. 

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/2019/07/105539/elias-ricks-arrives-at-img-with-decisions-left-to-make

I agree but teams like St Francis are the same thing.  They are not a Florida high school football team.  They are a national team that resides in Florida

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4 minutes ago, badbird said:

If SFA kills them it will make Florida football look worse.

 

A team only being around for a few years doesn't mean they can't be far superior to the other teams.  

 

 

No it just devalues the work of programs who have busted their ass for years and years to get where they are

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3 minutes ago, badbird said:

I agree but teams like St Francis are the same thing.  They are not a Florida high school football team.  They are a national team that resides in Florida

That's how most national people view IMG so we aren't getting the state any cred for their wins, only another reason FL is "trending down as a state" or "not a power state anymore" or "average at best football state"

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Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

No it just devalues the work of programs who have busted their ass for years and years to get where they are

they play by different rules.  It doesn't devalue the Lakeland's, STAA's, Northwestern's, Armwood's, Plant's, Carol City's, Miami Central's, Cocoa's, BTW's of the world

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1 minute ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

That's how most national people view IMG so we aren't getting the state any cred for their wins, only another reason FL is "trending down as a state" or "not a power state anymore" or "average at best football state"

we are not trending down because of IMG.  We might be trending down because other states are creating IMG type teams and touting them as (insert state) team

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2 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

They aren't getting the same level of talent they were in 2016 or 2017 teams

 

They may stay here it don't mean they will always be top 10 nationally

Apparently, they had a bad recruiting season. 

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1 hour ago, Perspective said:

Apparently, they had a bad recruiting season. 

Being undefeated is a bad recruiting season? I guess if you are Coach Columbiafan. I just don't think there is any credibility to be had hoping that somebody, anybody, defeats IMG. I, myself, hope they win every game by a running clock if they can. What harm do they do to all of the other Florida schools that don't play them? And, if they do play them it is their choice. IMG is not into twisting arms. I respect Miami NW, Booker T,  & Venice for playing IMG. Probably made these teams better technically even though they lost. 

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1 minute ago, Proseteye said:

Being undefeated is a bad recruiting season? I guess if you are Coach Columbiafan. I just don't think there is any credibility to be had hoping that somebody, anybody, defeats IMG. I, myself, hope they win every game by a running clock if they can. What harm do they do to all of the other Florida schools that don't play them? And, if they do play them it is their choice. IMG is not into twisting arms. I respect Miami NW, Booker T,  & Venice for playing IMG. Probably made these teams better technically even though they lost. 

Wait till end of season and tell me if they still can say that and maybe I'll be slightly impressed 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Proseteye said:

Being undefeated is a bad recruiting season? I guess if you are Coach Columbiafan. I just don't think there is any credibility to be had hoping that somebody, anybody, defeats IMG. I, myself, hope they win every game by a running clock if they can. What harm do they do to all of the other Florida schools that don't play them? And, if they do play them it is their choice. IMG is not into twisting arms. I respect Miami NW, Booker T,  & Venice for playing IMG. Probably made these teams better technically even though they lost. 

I may not have NFL experience but i certainly wouldn't allow myself to have a team that looked completely out of shape like the IMG team i saw last year

 

 

But of course most think it meant nothing because it was Columbia embarrassing them in a preseason game, had it been STA it would have been "wow look how great STA is"

 

But since it was Columbia "oh they only looked good because it preseason, they still suck as a program and have accomplished nothing"

 

 

Then we try to play IMG for regular season and we go bail and people think we aren't worthy to take field with IMG

 

 

But let's keep bragging about a school getting millions each year from the state while public schools get screwed over, give any established public school the resources IMG had and they would easily duplicate what they doing, nothing special about a school doing more than others in a state when one gets millions more in resources every year

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3 hours ago, badbird said:

they play by different rules.  It doesn't devalue the Lakeland's, STAA's, Northwestern's, Armwood's, Plant's, Carol City's, Miami Central's, Cocoa's, BTW's of the world

And all of those teams in their runs had "super teams" and a boat load of transfers so what are we really saying ...show me 1 school recently who won it all with kids only from their zoned area.

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4 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

And all of those teams in their runs had "super teams" and a boat load of transfers so what are we really saying ...show me 1 school recently who won it all with kids only from their zoned area.

And can you say that Dillard had 0 transfers when they last won a title

 

Even if it involves going back over a decade i find it hard to believe

[Proseteye]

The US spends more per student on public schools than any nation in the world and we are still 28th in the world in quality of education and falling quickly. Many, many, students come out of public schools unable to read, write , or converse in their own language. Nor can they make change for a dollar. And we wonder why they can't get jobs. The public schools have loads of money but tend to use it unwisely on a lot of worthless curriculum instead of on the core subjects that they are responsible for teaching. We should be asking how does a student graduate from high school without knowing the core subjects, English language, mathematics, science, and history? Do they not get tested before they graduate? Do the teachers not guide them and correct them daily in class when they make mistakes or don't know the subject? How come Asians, Indians, and other foreigners know the English language and core subjects and many of our own Americans don't? Please don't tell me about how unfortunate their home lives are. Many of the foreigners have come from abject poverty where they have 3 or 4 families living in a small house sometimes with few if any facilities. MIT, Harvard, and Stanford are loaded with Asians, Indians, and others that excel in those institutions. On another note, what would the amount of funding have to do with the quality of a high school football team? Doesn't seem to affect Pahokee, Madison, Miami Central, MNW, and other teams that are located in disadvantaged areas. So I think that the argument that IMG gets offset funding from the state, so that IMG can bring millions of dollars in tangible worth to the state, and that the public schools should get more funding because of it IMO is specious at best.

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52 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

And can you say that Dillard had 0 transfers when they last won a title

 

Even if it involves going back over a decade i find it hard to believe

Actually in 1989 which when we last won a title all our kids was zoned from our area.

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Just now, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

Actually in 1989 which when we last won a title all our kids was zoned from our area.

So you can prove without a shadow of a doubt that every single player on the roster played all 4 years at Dillard and never suited up for any other High school team?

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1 hour ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

And all of those teams in their runs had "super teams" and a boat load of transfers so what are we really saying ...show me 1 school recently who won it all with kids only from their zoned area.

Apopka had a run where they won it all with kids from their own area

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9 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

I'm gonna enjoy the shocked faces when SFA beats IMG next week and shows everyone that IMG isn't the unbeatable machine everyone seems to think they are

Should be a very good game that could go either way. IMG prepares well for the 'Big Show'  like Mater Dai last year who were MNC in many polls. 28 - 24 MD over IMG isn't that huge considering IMG made the trip to Cally. They use games like the BTW game to run new plays or give backups time to play. Depth and Conditioning can make or break a lot of OOS games when they are closely matched. I say they are fairly evenly matched in all ways. IMG travels well...

My 2 cents... I'll take IMG 28 - 24 over SFA.

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8 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Anybody can be beat on any night

 

I could count millions of examples over the years that prove that 

True that...

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20 minutes ago, Cat_Scratch said:

Should be a very good game that could go either way. IMG prepares well for the 'Big Show'  like Mater Dai last year who were MNC in many polls. 28 - 24 MD over IMG isn't that huge considering IMG made the trip to Cally. They use games like the BTW game to run new plays or give backups time to play. Depth and Conditioning can make or break a lot of OOS games when they are closely matched. I say they are fairly evenly matched in all ways. IMG travels well...

My 2 cents... I'll take IMG 28 - 24 over SFA.

And that's why I'm taking SFA

 

 

Last time i saw IMG they looked like most poorly conditioned team among any national powerhouse I've ever seen

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2 hours ago, Proseteye said:

The US spends more per student on public schools than any nation in the world and we are still 28th in the world in quality of education and falling quickly. Many, many, students come out of public schools unable to read, write , or converse in their own language. Nor can they make change for a dollar. And we wonder why they can't get jobs. The public schools have loads of money but tend to use it unwisely on a lot of worthless curriculum instead of on the core subjects that they are responsible for teaching. We should be asking how does a student graduate from high school without knowing the core subjects, English language, mathematics, science, and history? Do they not get tested before they graduate? Do the teachers not guide them and correct them daily in class when they make mistakes or don't know the subject? How come Asians, Indians, and other foreigners know the English language and core subjects and many of our own Americans don't? Please don't tell me about how unfortunate their home lives are. Many of the foreigners have come from abject poverty where they have 3 or 4 families living in a small house sometimes with few if any facilities. MIT, Harvard, and Standford are loaded with Asians, Indians, and others that excel in those institutions. On another note, what would the amount of funding have to do with the quality of a high school football team? Doesn't seem to affect Pahokee, Madison, Miami Central, MNW, and other teams that are located in disadvantaged areas. So I think that the argument that IMG gets offset funding from the state, so that IMG can bring millions of dollars in tangible worth to the state, and that the public schools should get more funding because of it IMO is specious at best.

In many of these nations teachers are as respected or more than Doctors. In some countries it is harder to gain entrance to an intitution for teaching than Medical or Law schools. Once a teacher you teach your entire life. Students are not given the same benifits and often many gifted students return to poverty and working for very low wages. The nest are given visa's to study in other places like Cambridge or MIT and most return to thier countries, some continue to teach.

A lot of schools in other countries don't support sports programs and if you want to play a sport, an athlete joins a league team and they have to pay their way.

The USA is second to the United Kingdoms for education, but we are also very lazy in some academics. The USA isn't even on the list of best coutries for a heart transplant.

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4 hours ago, Cat_Scratch said:

In many of these nations teachers are as respected or more than Doctors. In some countries it is harder to gain entrance to an intitution for teaching than Medical or Law schools. Once a teacher you teach your entire life. Students are not given the same benifits and often many gifted students return to poverty and working for very low wages. The nest are given visa's to study in other places like Cambridge or MIT and most return to thier countries, some continue to teach.

A lot of schools in other countries don't support sports programs and if you want to play a sport, an athlete joins a league team and they have to pay their way.

The USA is second to the United Kingdoms for education, but we are also very lazy in some academics. The USA isn't even on the list of best coutries for a heart transplant.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

This was a UK study but included most nations.

So, neither the US nor the UK are anywhere near the top considering we were 1st and 2nd about 40 to 50 years ago.