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13 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:

You need to deal with a governing body in another state if you want that kind of data. 

Wow. What a travesty. The sheer talent and quality of football that is played in this state is off the charts. And the coaches are paid like shit, and the state association gets paid to be incompetent and punt their responsibilities to third parties who are just as incompetent as they are. 
 

What a waste 

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41 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Wow. What a travesty. The sheer talent and quality of football that is played in this state is off the charts. And the coaches are paid like shit, and the state association gets paid to be incompetent and punt their responsibilities to third parties who are just as incompetent as they are. 
 

What a waste 

Nolebull, let me start out by saying I agree with you that the coaches in Florida are vastly underpaid.   My question is whether the FHSAA has any say on coach salaries.  I'm thinking they do not.   And I'm not saying that you said the FHSAA does have a say.  But the way that your post is structured, it isn't clear to me. 

My understanding is that private schools throughout the state can pay their coaches (head coach and assistants) whatever they want to.  As for the public schools, my understanding is that each county sets the amount that can be paid for coaches (both the head coach and a set number of assistant coaches) and determines whether coaches have to be employed by the school (or another public school in the district) in order to have a paid coaching job (i.e., receive the nominal stipend).  Is this understanding correct? 

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13 minutes ago, Perspective said:

Nolebull, let me start out by saying I agree with you that the coaches in Florida are vastly underpaid.   My question is whether the FHSAA has any say on coach salaries.  I'm thinking they do not.   And I'm not saying that you said the FHSAA does have a say.  But the way that your post is structured, it isn't clear to me. 

My understanding is that private schools throughout the state can pay their coaches (head coach and assistants) whatever they want to.  As for the public schools, my understanding is that each county sets the amount that can be paid for coaches (both the head coach and a set number of assistant coaches) and determines whether coaches have to be employed by the school (or another public school in the district) in order to have a paid coaching job (i.e., receive the nominal stipend).  Is this understanding correct? 

They don't

 

The state legislature and county school boards are only places that coaches pays can be increased

 

Also technically I think you only have to be employed by the county so in some these counties you could apply for a job just by working at the county school board office

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1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:

Wow. What a travesty. The sheer talent and quality of football that is played in this state is off the charts. And the coaches are paid like shit, and the state association gets paid to be incompetent and punt their responsibilities to third parties who are just as incompetent as they are. 
 

What a waste 

Well at least that means that my rankings shouldn't be compared to MaxPreps/calpreps since where they rank teams is irrelevant

 

Thanks nolebull you just made me right :D

 

 

And the fact is that some teams don't have their schedules complete because it's pretty damn tough to get a schedule in the north end of the state if your any good because most teams in North Florida are cowards who are afraid of competition

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22 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

The state legislature and county school boards are only places that coaches pays can be increased

Columbia, legit question:  what role does the state legislature play in setting the salaries of coaches or other school employees? 

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I am not blaming the FHSAA for shit coaches salaries. I was using that as a pretext to the point that we have all this talent and not a damn lick for resources. With coaches pay so bad, you would think the FHSAA would step it up and act like a competent governing body. Not add more shit to the shit show. 
 

I could be mistaken but there was something on the docket that said do you agree to a 25 cents surcharge for all sports tickets bought in Florida and that money goes to high school coaches and the voters shot it down! 
 

Sad that the NCAA and NFL make billions from players who were coached, guided, nurtured and taught by high school coaches who cared, and they don’t get a lick. SMDH 

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1 hour ago, Perspective said:

Columbia, legit question:  what role does the state legislature play in setting the salaries of coaches or other school employees? 

They set the state funding given to the counties for public school education

 

Counties set their budgets based on what the state gives as well as any local taxes and funds set aside by the county 

 

More money given by the state the more budget the county has and can extend that spending to employees and other necessary expenditures

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1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:

I am not blaming the FHSAA for shit coaches salaries. I was using that as a pretext to the point that we have all this talent and not a damn lick for resources. With coaches pay so bad, you would think the FHSAA would step it up and act like a competent governing body. Not add more shit to the shit show. 
 

I could be mistaken but there was something on the docket that said do you agree to a 25 cents surcharge for all sports tickets bought in Florida and that money goes to high school coaches and the voters shot it down! 
 

Sad that the NCAA and NFL make billions from players who were coached, guided, nurtured and taught by high school coaches who cared, and they don’t get a lick. SMDH 

Which voters?

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17 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Never said it was. Try and keep up 

But you also said you want the FHSAA to step up and act 

 

What exactly can they do that would help the situation? Even if they came out and said it's time for school boards to increase funding for coaches they can't force that and it probably wouldn't lead to any change

 

I want to know what you want the FHSAA to do that will help the problem?

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16 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

But you also said you want the FHSAA to step up and act 

 

What exactly can they do that would help the situation? Even if they came out and said it's time for school boards to increase funding for coaches they can't force that and it probably wouldn't lead to any change

 

I want to know what you want the FHSAA to do that will help the problem?

I’m saying the state is so poor with providing resources for coaches and players you would think the FHSAA would step it up and they don’t. They shit the bed. They punt their responsibility to maxpreps who is even more incompetent than they are. Where are the fu*^%#g schedules?? It’s already August for Christ’s sake 

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6 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

I’m saying the state is so poor with providing resources for coaches and players you would think the FHSAA would step it up and they don’t. They shit the bed. They punt their responsibility to maxpreps who is even more incompetent than they are. Where are the fu*^%#g schedules?? It’s already August for Christ’s sake 

Not every team has a full schedule

 

It doesn't help when there's no real system to help teams schedule within the state

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1 minute ago, Perspective said:

This may be one of the few times when Hillsborough County's central scheduling process has its advantages. 

Only works for large counties 

 

And that would help but they should allow teams to play out of county if they want but having localizing schedules to fill openings would be a good thing but what about the smaller counties with 2-3 teams in it 

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This is a 'damned if you, damned if you don't' situation.   

If schools in Florida turn over scheduling responsibilities to someone else (anyone else . . . FHSAA, MaxPreps, Nolebull), schools are going to complain about their schedules, complain about who they have to play and when they have to play them, and complain about who they don't get to play. 

If coaches and/or school AD's want to maintain their scheduling autonomy, they have to figure out a way to find teams to play them . . . travel more and/or further, pay a stipend to teams who are willing to travel, etc.   Learn from the college guys.     Of course, bigger districts would help solve the problem, but that has its own issues.  

What about this:  once district games are set, any school can seek to schedule any other team in its region to play a home-and-home 2-game series.  If the dates are open, the team receiving the request has to accept it.  This is where the FHSAA could step in and help.   Require teams to submit their schedules, in whole or in part, by a certain date.   That way, it would be clear if a date is open or not.   Just thinking out loud here.   It's not a problem for Hillsborough, but I can see where it might be a problem with smaller counties and in other areas of the state.  

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2 hours ago, Perspective said:

This is a 'damned if you, damned if you don't' situation.   

If schools in Florida turn over scheduling responsibilities to someone else (anyone else . . . FHSAA, MaxPreps, Nolebull), schools are going to complain about their schedules, complain about who they have to play and when they have to play them, and complain about who they don't get to play. 

If coaches and/or school AD's want to maintain their scheduling autonomy, they have to figure out a way to find teams to play them . . . travel more and/or further, pay a stipend to teams who are willing to travel, etc.   Learn from the college guys.     Of course, bigger districts would help solve the problem, but that has its own issues.  

What about this:  once district games are set, any school can seek to schedule any other team in its region to play a home-and-home 2-game series.  If the dates are open, the team receiving the request has to accept it.  This is where the FHSAA could step in and help.   Require teams to submit their schedules, in whole or in part, by a certain date.   That way, it would be clear if a date is open or not.   Just thinking out loud here.   It's not a problem for Hillsborough, but I can see where it might be a problem with smaller counties and in other areas of the state.  

That's exactly what I was suggesting

 

This way they could let teams try to fill schedules by a certain date then if it's not filled they submit what they have to the FHSAA and then games get assigned in mutual openings 

 

I would say start at 1 HR away to fill games with open teams then expand to 2 HRs than 3 HRs until teams have their schedule finalized 

 

If teams fill it quickly than they get their choice of opponents but if they don't then games get assigned to them 

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2 hours ago, Perspective said:

This is a 'damned if you, damned if you don't' situation.   

If schools in Florida turn over scheduling responsibilities to someone else (anyone else . . . FHSAA, MaxPreps, Nolebull), schools are going to complain about their schedules, complain about who they have to play and when they have to play them, and complain about who they don't get to play. 

If coaches and/or school AD's want to maintain their scheduling autonomy, they have to figure out a way to find teams to play them . . . travel more and/or further, pay a stipend to teams who are willing to travel, etc.   Learn from the college guys.     Of course, bigger districts would help solve the problem, but that has its own issues.  

What about this:  once district games are set, any school can seek to schedule any other team in its region to play a home-and-home 2-game series.  If the dates are open, the team receiving the request has to accept it.  This is where the FHSAA could step in and help.   Require teams to submit their schedules, in whole or in part, by a certain date.   That way, it would be clear if a date is open or not.   Just thinking out loud here.   It's not a problem for Hillsborough, but I can see where it might be a problem with smaller counties and in other areas of the state.  

Yes I now realize what I'm suggesting isn't exactly what you said but I think that both ideas used together could work well and fix this scheduling problem we see every year 

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6 hours ago, Perspective said:

This may be one of the few times when Hillsborough County's central scheduling process has its advantages. 

Myself for one, I do not want my school AD or my county AD to mandate my schedule. My fears are that first they would want to schedule only close opponents to avoid travel costs and secondly they would not have the pulse of the program to know where the program is at on a competitive level. Over or under scheduling talent. Which wouldn't help. No disrespect intended towards the AD's, Just my opinion

 

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1 hour ago, Beek said:

Myself for one, I do not want my school AD or my county AD to mandate my schedule. My fears are that first they would want to schedule only close opponents to avoid travel costs and secondly they would not have the pulse of the program to know where the program is at on a competitive level. Over or under scheduling talent. Which wouldn't help. No disrespect intended towards the AD's, Just my opinion

 

I agree to an extent

 

That's why I suggested the idea that every team would have a certain amount of time to fill the schedule first so maybe like districts get set in April and teams have until June 1st to fill a schedule on their own 

 

After that if teams still have openings then it goes to the FHSAA and games start getting assigned to fill out the remaining schedule

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