3M (PLAYOFF PAIRINGS)

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

Good morning, so as I was traveling to work this morning I was just thinking about this new 2M-2S & etc format & I got to wondering how In the hell is the playoff formats gonna be aligned. 
 

for example back when it was district champions & runner ups I knew every year Dillard would be either hosting or traveling to play one of the MIAMI schools out of district 6A-16. 
 

Now it’s kind of confusing I know we’re in 2M district 11.

But Come playoff time as runner up would we have to play @ ely a team we just played the week prior. 
 

do we travel back to Miramar a team we played in week 2 ? Or where the hell will we go ? So we can kind of get a idea what teams to possibly get prepared for. 
 

it was also stated by our head coach that because of our SOS & depending on seeding we could possibly host as early as round 2. (Shrugs shoulders) don’t know how that could happen but that would be great lol. 
 

@ColumbiaHighFan2017class @Jullian @nolebull813 any insight on this guys ??

[KeemD321]

1 hour ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

Good morning, so as I was traveling to work this morning I was just thinking about this new 2M-2S & etc format & I got to wondering how In the hell is the playoff formats gonna be aligned. 
 

for example back when it was district champions & runner ups I knew every year Dillard would be either hosting or traveling to play one of the MIAMI schools out of district 6A-16. 
 

Now it’s kind of confusing I know we’re in 2M district 11.

But Come playoff time as runner up would we have to play @ ely a team we just played the week prior. 
 

do we travel back to Miramar a team we played in week 2 ? Or where the hell will we go ? So we can kind of get a idea what teams to possibly get prepared for. 
 

it was also stated by our head coach that because of our SOS & depending on seeding we could possibly host as early as round 2. (Shrugs shoulders) don’t know how that could happen but that would be great lol. 
 

@ColumbiaHighFan2017class @Jullian @nolebull813 any insight on this guys ??

Its all based on regional rank. Top 4 in region hosts from what I've gathered. I think right now y'all are just over Ely for the number 2 spot. 

[Ray Icaza]

Dillard is 3M.

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

47 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:

Its all based on regional rank. Top 4 in region hosts from what I've gathered. I think right now y'all are just over Ely for the number 2 spot. 

So if that is correct & Dillard win out tonight & next week. We can host a first round playoff game even as district runner up ?? 

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

41 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Dillard is 3M.

That’s what I meant lol forgive me I was just waking up this morning lol. 

[badbird]

14 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

So if that is correct & Dillard win out tonight & next week. We can host a first round playoff game even as district runner up ?? 

no

 

district champs are seeded 1-4,  you most likely will be the 5 seed and play the worst district champ (Plantation, Piper or Atlantic) then play STA in round 2.  Might be best for you to lose a few more and get a 6 or 7 seed lol

[KeemD321]

14 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

So if that is correct & Dillard win out tonight & next week. We can host a first round playoff game even as district runner up ?? 

Yes. District champs are just guaranteed a playoff spot no matter their points

[KeemD321]

17 minutes ago, badbird said:

no

 

district champs are seeded 1-4,  you most likely will be the 5 seed and play the worst district champ then play STA in round 2.  Might be best for you to lose a few more and get a 6 or 7 seed lol

I've seen otherwise that champs are only guaranteed a playoff birth but not guaranteed a top 4 seed

Just read through the handbook and teams are seeded based on their season ending ranking. District champs are just guaranteed a playoff spot. 

[badbird]

26 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:

I've seen otherwise that champs are only guaranteed a playoff birth but not guaranteed a top 4 seed

Just read through the handbook and teams are seeded based on their season ending ranking. District champs are just guaranteed a playoff spot. 

you are correct.  They changed it.  I actually like the change even though the rankings suck

[badbird]

so Dillard if it ended today you would host Coconut Creek round 1  Ely round 2 and travel to STA round 3

[muckboy561]

54 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

So if that is correct & Dillard win out tonight & next week. We can host a first round playoff game even as district runner up ?? 

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2022/10/26/what-fhsaa-football-brackets-would-if-playoffs-started-today/10590759002/

[Perspective]

10 minutes ago, badbird said:

you are correct.  They changed it.  I actually like the change even though the rankings suck

Not me.  District champs deserve to host the first game.  I'm even more convinced of that opinion now that I'm seeing the FHSAA power rankings.  

[badbird]

So looking at volleyball they did the same thing.  They have some district champs as lower seeds than the runner ups.  For example Hagerty beat Winter Park in the district finals but Winter Park is the 2 seed and Hagerty has to travel to them as the 3 seed.  I see this probably happening in football also.  

[badbird]

4 minutes ago, Perspective said:

Not me.  District champs deserve to host the first game.  I'm even more convinced of that opinion now that I'm seeing the FHSAA power rankings.  

If they had large districts I would agree but some team winning a crappy 2-3 team district doesn't deserve to host just because they got put into a 2-3 team district.  The system sucks always has always will and its getting worse not better.

[DisabledAccount]

47 minutes ago, badbird said:

no

 

district champs are seeded 1-4,  you most likely will be the 5 seed and play the worst district champ (Plantation, Piper or Atlantic) then play STA in round 2.  Might be best for you to lose a few more and get a 6 or 7 seed lol

No they changed it this year badbird 

 

District champs would host a wild card round 1 if seeded against them but it's possible for 2 district champs to be seeded against each other 

 

For example say Dillard is #2 in region, they face #7 seed, if that #7 seed in round 1 is a district champ they would travel, If it's a wild card then Dillard would host 

 

So if Ely was the #7 seed but district champ they would travel round 1 but after round 1 it's highest seed overall hosting

 

If they get wild card Piper at #7 for example than Dillard would host Piper round 1

[badbird]

2 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

No they changed it this year badbird 

 

District champs would host a wild card round 1 if seeded against them but it's possible for 2 district champs to be seeded against each other 

 

For example say Dillard is #2 in region, they face #7 seed, if that #7 seed in round 1 is a district champ they would travel, If it's a wild card then Dillard would host 

 

So if Ely was the #7 seed but district champ they would travel round 1 but after round 1 it's highest seed overall hosting

 

If they get wild card Piper at #7 for example than Dillard would host Piper round 1

(a) Playoff field will be made up of 32 teams in each class. (b) 8 Qualifiers in each region. 4 District champions and 4 at large qualifiers. Teams will be seeded 1-8 based on the final FHSAA Power Rankings. (c) Higher seed will always host in regional tournament.

This is from FHSAA rules and that says higher seed will always host

[DisabledAccount]

Just now, badbird said:

(a) Playoff field will be made up of 32 teams in each class. (b) 8 Qualifiers in each region. 4 District champions and 4 at large qualifiers. Teams will be seeded 1-8 based on the final FHSAA Power Rankings. (c) Higher seed will always host in regional tournament.

This is from FHSAA rules and that says higher seed will always host

Interesting

 

I thought they threw a provision in there that district champs host a wild card in round 1

[KeemD321]

32 minutes ago, badbird said:

you are correct.  They changed it.  I actually like the change even though the rankings suck

Yea I like that change. Just wish they would've kept the RPI rankings and added this new seeding change. 

[KeemD321]

12 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Interesting

 

I thought they threw a provision in there that district champs host a wild card in round 1

It's all based on the final regular season rankings. Higher seeds host.

[Perspective]

16 minutes ago, badbird said:

If they had large districts I would agree but some team winning a crappy 2-3 team district doesn't deserve to host just because they got put into a 2-3 team district.  The system sucks always has always will and its getting worse not better.

I understand what you're saying, but I'd rather reward a team for winning their district (however small and/or bad that district may be) than reward a team for being in a larger/tougher district, but not winning it.    At the end of the day, the cream usually rises to the top.   If the district runner-up is that much better than the near-by district winner, it won't matter that they're playing on the road -- they'll still win.  Just my POV. 

[badbird]

2 minutes ago, Perspective said:

I understand what you're saying, but I'd rather reward a team for winning their district (however small and/or bad that district may be) than reward a team for being in a larger/tougher district, but not winning it.    At the end of the day, the cream usually rises to the top.   If the district runner-up is that much better than the near-by district winner, it won't matter that they're playing on the road -- they'll still win.  Just my POV. 

I don't necessarily disagree with you except in rare situations that the fhsaa can't do better an put people in small districts.  Look at my volleyball example that just happened.  That's horrible.  

[Dr. D]

32 minutes ago, badbird said:

(a) Playoff field will be made up of 32 teams in each class. (b) 8 Qualifiers in each region. 4 District champions and 4 at large qualifiers. Teams will be seeded 1-8 based on the final FHSAA Power Rankings. (c) Higher seed will always host in regional tournament.

This is from FHSAA rules and that says higher seed will always host

They changed the rule at the April Board of Director's meeting.  The FHSAA Handbook may not have been updated.  The original article is on floridahsfootball.com and confirmed in the Board of Directors' meeting minutes.

 REGIONAL PLAYOFF RESEEDING TO OCCUR

 

The Board of Directors approved 16-0 a policy change that will now seed teams No. 1-No. 8 by the FHSAA Power Rankings that are generated by MaxPreps while only guaranteeing district champions an entry into the regional bracket, but not guaranteed a home game.

In the previous years, district champions have been seeded No. 1-No. 4 first while at-large teams were seeded No. 5-No. 8. In this situation, a district champion would have been guaranteed a home game in at least the first round of the playoffs.

However, the Operations Committee on Sunday modified the language slightly to read that while the teams will be seeded by the FHSAA Power Rankings first, if a district champion were to go up against an at-large team in the first round of the playoffs, they would be guaranteed to host regardless of their seed number.

As for two district champions meeting in the first round? The higher seeded district champion would host the first-round game under that caveat while if an at-large team faces another at-large team in the first round, the higher-seeded team of the two at-large teams would host.

After the first round, the higher seed will host regardless of if they are a district champion or not.

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

1 hour ago, badbird said:

so Dillard if it ended today you would host Coconut Creek round 1  Ely round 2 and travel to STA round 3

Ayeeee that’s lit! That make next weeks game HUGE!!! Out side of it being a heated rivalry. 

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

1 hour ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

No they changed it this year badbird 

 

District champs would host a wild card round 1 if seeded against them but it's possible for 2 district champs to be seeded against each other 

 

For example say Dillard is #2 in region, they face #7 seed, if that #7 seed in round 1 is a district champ they would travel, If it's a wild card then Dillard would host 

 

So if Ely was the #7 seed but district champ they would travel round 1 but after round 1 it's highest seed overall hosting

 

If they get wild card Piper at #7 for example than Dillard would host Piper round 1

Aye I’m loving this change. & here I’m thinking that we would be on the road every round like last year because we lost our district. 
 

so question , from the demographics @muckboy561 sent me Dillard and homestead is in two totally diff regions so if I’m reading this right Dillard only chance of seeing homestead for a revenge game would be in the state semis or state championship?? 

[Perspective]

2 hours ago, Dr. D said:

They changed the rule at the April Board of Director's meeting.  The FHSAA Handbook may not have been updated.  The original article is on floridahsfootball.com and confirmed in the Board of Directors' meeting minutes.

 REGIONAL PLAYOFF RESEEDING TO OCCUR

 

The Board of Directors approved 16-0 a policy change that will now seed teams No. 1-No. 8 by the FHSAA Power Rankings that are generated by MaxPreps while only guaranteeing district champions an entry into the regional bracket, but not guaranteed a home game.

. . .

However, the Operations Committee on Sunday modified the language slightly to read that while the teams will be seeded by the FHSAA Power Rankings first, if a district champion were to go up against an at-large team in the first round of the playoffs, they would be guaranteed to host regardless of their seed number.

 

Now I'm confused.   Does the Operations Committee have the ability to change/modify a policy that the Board of Directors adopted?  Or did the change by the Operations Committee go back to the Board for approval at some time? 

Second, if this was done in the Spring, why wouldn't it be included in the Football Handbook?  I feel like this is one of those "they only had one job" memes in the making.