WHAT THE HECK iS REALLY GOING ON WITH BROWARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS??!?

[DisabledAccount]

5 minutes ago, Perspective said:

First, we know, we know . . . Lee gets more transfers than most private schools in Duval. 

Second, in answer to your last question, it's human nature.  Think back to grade school P.E.   If a kid got a false start in a race, but you still smoked him, did you really care that he cheated?  If a kid took five steps after he stopped dribbling, but still missed the layup, did you really care that he traveled?  Or even in class, if a kid cheated on a test, but you still aced it, did you really care that he got a 70 instead of failing it?   In short, it's just human nature to ignore violations that don't impact you or someone you care about.   

I've said for years that if a coach or team is going to cheat, they should do it when they're not any good, because then no one will care.   Seriously, if a high school team in your area holds a frickin' Friday Night Lights recruiting fair for all 8th graders in the county, but then goes 0-10 the next season, do you really care?  Arguably, you should, because that team may just be building from the ground up and kick your butt in 3-4 years when all the kids they recruited are seniors.  But, that's just not human nature.  We all tend to let things slide when they don't adversely affect us. 

So, of course coaches and teams that break the rules should be punished equally, regardless of their success on the field.  But very few schools are going to turn in a coach or school that is out there actively recruiting when the team sucks.  More likely than not, they'll just laugh at the cheaters ("They're so bad, they're cheating and still can't win a game!").  But all that changes when we start talking about the top dogs -- in part because, often times, those teams are having success at your team's expense.  I can guarantee you that every coach, player and fan of a team that finished runner-up in a state title game is looking across the field wondering if any of the kids on the winning team were illegally recruited and, if so, whether any of those kids made a difference in the outcome of the game. 

In short, if you beat me fair and square, I'll respect you.  If you have to cheat to beat me, I'll detest you.  Again, it's just human nature. 

You may have a point, I see us face a lot of recruiters and some can get wins and others lose regardless and similarly we face some dirty teams who will late hit us and we still beat them but normally I don't care 

 

My issue is when teams start making up lies about our program when there team are cheating through both methods I mentioned above but have the nerve to play themselves off as an honorable program when they are full of crap

[Hwy17]

2 hours ago, Perspective said:

First, we know, we know . . . Lee gets more transfers than most private schools in Duval. 

Second, in answer to your last question, it's human nature.  Think back to grade school P.E.   If a kid got a false start in a race, but you still smoked him, did you really care that he cheated?  If a kid took five steps after he stopped dribbling, but still missed the layup, did you really care that he traveled?  Or even in class, if a kid cheated on a test, but you still aced it, did you really care that he got a 70 instead of failing it?   In short, it's just human nature to ignore violations that don't impact you or someone you care about.   

I've said for years that if a coach or team is going to cheat, they should do it when they're not any good, because then no one will care.   Seriously, if a high school team in your area holds a frickin' Friday Night Lights recruiting fair for all 8th graders in the county, but then goes 0-10 the next season, do you really care?  Arguably, you should, because that team may just be building from the ground up and kick your butt in 3-4 years when all the kids they recruited are seniors.  But, that's just not human nature.  We all tend to let things slide when they don't adversely affect us. 

So, of course coaches and teams that break the rules should be punished equally, regardless of their success on the field.  But very few schools are going to turn in a coach or school that is out there actively recruiting when the team sucks.  More likely than not, they'll just laugh at the cheaters ("They're so bad, they're cheating and still can't win a game!").  But all that changes when we start talking about the top dogs -- in part because, often times, those teams are having success at your team's expense.  I can guarantee you that every coach, player and fan of a team that finished runner-up in a state title game is looking across the field wondering if any of the kids on the winning team were illegally recruited and, if so, whether any of those kids made a difference in the outcome of the game. 

In short, if you beat me fair and square, I'll respect you.  If you have to cheat to beat me, I'll detest you.  Again, it's just human nature. 

I can remember back in the mid-2000s when Lakeland was beating STA in the state championships it was the STA fans crying foul about Lakeland getting transfers. This was before the open transfer rules we have now. Then in 2011 the FHSAA threw the book at Armwood.

[FBGUY1989]

Question if anyone knows but how did IMG Academy come about 

[FBGUY1989]

On 6/11/2021 at 11:29 PM, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

I don’t know now, as talented as MNW is they struggle with well coached teams EX...img ...& Lowndes 

I can see the raiders beating them & it’s possible for the bulls to win to, but MNW is playing STA at the right time the first game of the season.

Central is the same way remember they lost to two OOS teams 

Grayson 35-3

St. Frances Academy 49-13

[DILLARDBOYZ954]

8 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Why only mention STA

 

I can again name 50 or so schools both private and public that get more transfers than they do, some that even blatantly recruit too 

 

My point is there are schools doing far worse than STA, the only difference is a lot of those schools aren't winning state titles so nobody seems to care 

 

So why do people only get upset when teams are doing it and winning? Isn't the rules being broken either way?

I didn’t only mention STA in a post above on this very thread, I mentioned MNW MC CG AHP & etc. and also in my last post I mentioned PRIVATE & PUBLIC schools ; which is why I said if we’re gonna hate Recruiting & Etc Then We Need To Despise it 100% regardless of What School it is or their Success Rate. 

[DILLARDBOYZ954]

5 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

You may have a point, I see us face a lot of recruiters and some can get wins and others lose regardless and similarly we face some dirty teams who will late hit us and we still beat them but normally I don't care 

 

My issue is when teams start making up lies about our program when there team are cheating through both methods I mentioned above but have the nerve to play themselves off as an honorable program when they are full of crap

And me mentioning STA was because perspective made a comment about img, and someone said how they respect img for who who they are, and how they don’t hide who they are which is why they play a national schedule & I mentioned that STA & iMG is basically the same type of school that do the same things so if img doesn’t qualify to compete for a state title neither should STA. 

[Perspective]

11 hours ago, FBGUY1989 said:

Question if anyone knows but how did IMG Academy come about 

It started in the late 1970's as a tennis academy.  I believe it has always had a "boarding school" element. 

This is from the IMG Academy website:  "IMG Academy is the world’s most prestigious sports, performance and educational institution. Established in 1978 with a pioneering concept known as the Nick Bollettieri Tennis Academy, IMG Academy has since grown to become a global phenomenon."

From MaxPreps, it appears that IMG's first football season was in 2013-14.  They went 8-2 under head coach Chris Weinke.

Oh, by the way, just in case you were wondering, here's what the website says about their tuition:  "For academic year 2021-2022, tuition ranges from $64,400 to $84,400 per year depending on age, boarding and grade of student-athlete."

[HornetFan]

19 hours ago, FBGUY1989 said:

Central is the same way remember they lost to two OOS teams 

Grayson 35-3

St. Frances Academy 49-13

"St. Frances Academy 49-13"

And the SFA game wasn't that close. I think SFA was embarrassed for MC and let up in the 2nd half.

[FBGUY1989]

8 hours ago, Perspective said:

It started in the late 1970's as a tennis academy.  I believe it has always had a "boarding school" element. 

This is from the IMG Academy website:  "IMG Academy is the world’s most prestigious sports, performance and educational institution. Established in 1978 with a pioneering concept known as the Nick Bollettieri Tennis Academy, IMG Academy has since grown to become a global phenomenon."

From MaxPreps, it appears that IMG's first football season was in 2013-14.  They went 8-2 under head coach Chris Weinke.

Oh, by the way, just in case you were wondering, here's what the website says about their tuition:  "For academic year 2021-2022, tuition ranges from $64,400 to $84,400 per year depending on age, boarding and grade 

I didn't know this history of the school thanks and that tuition is high

[Perspective]

12 hours ago, FBGUY1989 said:

I didn't know this history of the school thanks and that tuition is high

Yes it is . . . but something tells me not every kid is paying that.  

[DILLARDBOYZ954]

1 hour ago, Perspective said:

Yes it is . . . but something tells me not every kid is paying that.  

Of course not lol

[DisabledAccount]

2 hours ago, Perspective said:

Yes it is . . . but something tells me not every kid is paying that.  

White team player's parents pay so they can say their kid plays for IMG while the blue team gives scholarships to studs to get the best talent 

 

They game the system very well and it's why they got the state giving them money each year and can build an on campus hotel while public schools in Florida are barely able to financially support some programs

[DILLARDBOYZ954]

31 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

White team player's parents pay so they can say their kid plays for IMG while the blue team gives scholarships to studs to get the best talent 

 

They game the system very well and it's why they got the state giving them money each year and can build an on campus hotel while public schools in Florida are barely able to financially support some programs

A on campus hotel ? I haven’t been to their complex since the time Dillard played them I believe back in 2015 2016 ..they’ve must’ve really built up since then. 

[DisabledAccount]

25 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

A on campus hotel ? I haven’t been to their complex since the time Dillard played them I believe back in 2015 2016 ..they’ve must’ve really built up since then. 

I think it was in construction process when I went down there in 2018, found out quite a few interesting details about IMG when I was down there 

[HornetFan]

20 hours ago, FBGUY1989 said:

I didn't know this history of the school thanks and that tuition is high

Nick Bollettieri Tennis Academy turned out many young US tennis stars a while back; stars like Chrissy Evert, Andre Agassi, and others that were ranked among the world's best.

[DILLARDBOYZ954]

I wonder where does they fans come from the few that do be in the stands, since most of these kids parents don’t even stay in Florida. 
 

I doubt they fly in every week.

[FBGUY1989]

1 hour ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

I wonder where does they fans come from the few that do be in the stands, since most of these kids parents don’t even stay in Florida. 
 

I doubt they fly in every week.

If you have the money why not

[DILLARDBOYZ954]

Just now, FBGUY1989 said:

If you have the money why not

Hmph probably right