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  1. Most jobs dont require you to take homework home and grade papers and make lessons and then take classes to recertify and then take classes to try to earn a real wage either by getting a masters. Plus alot of teachers coach and get paid very little for alot of work. A assistant fb coach usually gets around 3k for the following work. Spring ball 20 practices and 5 days for conditioning. 4 days a week lifting in summer, 7 on 7 practices and tournament from Jan -April and then in summer again. Practice from august to mid November unless you make a run and go till December. If teaching is such a great pay gig and easy job then why are 1 in 5 teachers leaving the profession or state to teach somewhere else.
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  2. Hey, why can't we just have the FHSAA and MaxPreps come up with a secret formula to rate all the teachers and then pay them based on that?
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  3. Just to be clear, no one was suggesting to base teachers pay on a poll of students. To think that would be "Simple-minded" as you previously suggested. It was simply an observation on the fact that they have that ability to discern, yet the administrator responsible and being compensated for their performance can't or won't. Seems like an oxymoron to me as does the fact most school districts somehow manage to figure out among the thousands of teachers and dozens of separate schools who the "Teacher of the Year" is. The criteria used in this selection process could be used to rate teachers on a three-tier system of above average, average and below average with corresponding compensation. One can come up with all kinds of reasons why it won't work, but it really boils down to the union and teachers themselves. With regards to the coaches pay, I recently read another article in the Orlando Sentinel written by sportswriter Chris Hays that this proposal isn't being considered in this years legislative agenda but not until next year. He does accurately point out that one of the biggest obstacles to overcome is the teachers themselves not wanting to have said coaches compensated properly for the extra work. He states that they would revolt. Sad when you think about it as for years I sit in the stands to many athletic events for OHS and rarely see teachers there to support one of their students or even their school at these activities. Seems like at too many schools whatever we are doing today certainly isn't working.
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  4. Added a bunch vs Georgia today since the GHSA released the schedules for all their member schools. A great feature that the FHSAA refuses to do
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  5. https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/high-school/2024/03/09/possible-bill-would-mean-big-raise-for-florida-high-school-coaches/72896876007/] underpaid teachers, underpaid coaches, why in the world would this pass? anyone want to make some extra money, start a high school coaches moving company. get a couple uhual trucks and make a ton of money driving to georgia weekly. will be interesting to see if this thing were to pass,
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  6. Unions want their members compensated. Districts are slow to compensate teachers and coaches, period. Because ultimately coaches/sponsors are extracurriculars, and not the primary focus of the district despite what some on this board would have you believe. Make it easy, ask your local principal how many teaching openings they have this year in their faculty, ask how much turnover will exist in their ranks this summer, and when they replace them, how many will be highly qualified teachers. Ask the AD how many of their coaches are not highly qualified. The problem from the district and unions' perspective is that there isn't a coaching shortage, somebody always wants to be a coach, but few want to be a math teacher or special education and have their career tied to a test that they have no control over. So just like in the business world, you should pay more to get a person to do the job if nobody is willing to do it. Now if you want to blame the unions, blame them and the districts for not being flexible in salaries for areas of critical needs/shortages. Despite their being a shortage, it isn't a universal shortage. Florida isn't struggling for social studies teachers, PE teachers, or elementary teachers, but secondary math, science, english, special ed (all levels), and world languages. Unions/districts have been reluctant to give extra pay to those subjects to entice people to enter the field, but notice, PE teacher isn't on that list. __________________ To give an idea of what will happen, let's use Madison County (since they were mentioned in an above post). Madison County has 30 head coaches and JV/assistant coaches (including cheerleading). The total amount of salaries that they put to those positions is %66,706. Madison County had a budget of $24 million, so .27% of their total budget. If the proposed bill passes, Madison County would spend 322,500, which represents 1.34% of their budget, about 4.8 times more than current. Now, if the state legislature would simple just add the $260,000 onto the budget, the unions wouldn't care other than making sure that all assistant/jv/and non mentioned coaches from the PB Post article are included. But that isn't what will happen, instead it will be a specific line in the budget from the state legislature, similar to technology or textbooks, money will be required to be spent on the salaries and the state will offer no additional funding (or they will only do it for 2 or 3 years, and when there are new priorities, they will still require it but provide no funding for it). Now, if they offer no additional funding, what happens is that money comes from somewhere in the budget. Considering that that this be part of "teacher salaries", that means it will be pulled from general instructional salaries portion of the budget, which means less money for teachers. So yes, teachers will be upset when the state legislature yet again promises something and then underdelivers (see making the starting salary $47,500).
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  7. Teachers are sometimes their own worst enemies.
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  8. This is a bit of an incoherent mess. The matter of parents' rights is separate from teacher/coaches pay and teacher certification. All are valid, but distinct, concerns.
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  9. It’s been a while since I been back home in Vero but back in the day me and the guys would go over to Heavenly Wings next door to the stadium, they made some pretty good fish sandwiches too! That was *sigh 20 years ago though.
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  10. I'm definitely gonna get the night off lol, I ate at fishack last week.... For a spring game, this is interesting, I wanna see Vero deals with the QB/RB tandem from West Boca
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  11. With remote working certain to remain more of a thing than at any point in history, more appealing areas figure to be increasingly out of reach for the middle class. Wealthy people can often pick up and live/work wherever they please. This will sustain a high cost of living without bringing better wages to the middle class.
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  12. Sounds like a good night to get some garbage fries from Cafe 66 or an oyster po'boy from Fishack before heading over.
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  13. I'm not sure what that has to do with why Roland should or shouldn't take the job. Plenty of community support in Kingsland, and if I had to guess, a better paying job than Mainland. I've seen plenty of Mainland games over the years, including Maronto's final game after the prostitution sting and they never had the kind of turnout that I saw in Kingsland that night.
    1 point
  14. Camden beat a State Champ Miami Central if memory serves correct.
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  15. I was told by a teacher that there are 180 school days per year and they work about 20 extra days than the kids on average so a teacher works about 200 days per year and are off 165. Most jobs you get about 2 weeks vacation per year paid. So you work about 50 weeks, 5 days per week for full time. That’s 250 days per year So teachers on average work about 7 less weeks per year than the average profession.
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  16. 10 1/2 month contract for a new teacher is growing to 47k this year. You're "technically off" during those 1 1/2 months but there is training, pre-planning, etc. It isn't a full workload, but there is some unpaid work. Not to mention the unpaid work they do during the school year.
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  17. Yes its at Vero because I never put an @ sign next to West Boca
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  18. While I acknowledge that students can often tell who the good, bad and average teachers are, I don't think it's feasible (or even a good idea!) to base teacher pay on a poll of students. Many students may well give a reasonable and accurate review of their teachers, but some may be less than reasonable or honest. Teachers who bribe their kids are going to fare the best often. And so if that's out, you're back to test scores. I'm a believer in tests and data analysis! But, again, there are myriad factors which can affect not only overall scores, but also rates of improvement/decline that are out of control of the teachers. The problem is there's no shortage in students sitting in classrooms they do not want to be in. Teaching is one of the only -if not the only- professions where the job rating of professionals is based on the performance of children who often resent being there in the first place. All I said is that anyone claiming the evaluation of teachers is *easy* is revealing their ignorance. It may be possible, but it is not easy or simple.
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  19. When I attended school back in the mid 60's as a student we knew who were good teachers and who weren't. When I taught from '74 to '81 that was still true as even the faculty themselves knew. I believe that to be true today (as I have worked as a Sub in recent years) with the only difference I have observed with the passage of time is a higher percentage fall into the lower tier. As a sub, you can generally get a feel how well a classroom is managed as you fill in for those 6 or 7 periods throughout the day. No one is claiming the process would be easy, but I harken back to my childhood as JFK famously told us we were going to the moon, not because it was easy but because it was hard. We can respectfully disagree whether this can be done, but that disagreement doesn't merit your claim someone doesn't know what they are talking about. The fact remains that the job performance in every metric as a nation in K-12 has fallen steadily over decades despite the amount we spend per child compared to other countries. Nothing in my posts on this thread has anything to do with politics, simply wanting just pay for coaches and what they do as well as a way to keep high performing teachers.
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  20. Nailed it. Those PE classes can have 50+ kids in them. Not an easy day of work for sure.
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  21. Confession: I have no idea where/when/how a post qualifies as breaking rules on politics. It seems that each and every post in this thread could be considered political. BUT, clearly, all that's being discussed is very much tied into high school football in the state. Like it or not, there are many ways in which politics and major issues affecting realms, often not considered political, overlap. It's extremely difficult to fairly and accurately quantify "merit" for teachers. So much so that, the more certain one is that the process could be easy, the more certain we can be that they have no idea what they're talking about. That's not to say we shouldn't hold teachers to high standards. But, the job is hard enough, often for reasons completely out of the teacher's control, that finding enough teachers to run enough schools to educate all of the kids is itself a major challenge.
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  22. I know a Dude that made 59K (teaching salary + asst ftb coaching stipend) in a school district in florida . He moved to georgia and is now making 98K (teaching salary + asst ftb coaching stipend).
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  23. I would not call any tournament under promotion/demotion model except the top a state champion. Call the rest anything you want. The goal is to provide the vast majority of student athlete's a good experience that help build character for the future and learn teamwork. Its obvious with all the blowouts and the huge distance between the haves and have nots that the current system or even the metro system achieves what is best for the most students. Teams want to have a fighting chance to at least compete in half their games and being a division with similar teams will help. The SAC calling a 3-7 team a state champion is pathetic. But I get why teams are moving to it or forming own associations.
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  24. https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=regional_ebooks
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  25. I appreciate you for doing this, on my mother's side of the family my grandaddy went to Richardson(Lake City) and my grandma went to Gifford(Vero Beach), Gifford High is currently Gifford Middle
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  26. @nolebull813 thanks for posting this. I took the time to leaf through the yearbook. It was quite informative, especially for a man originally from Jamaica. From beginning to the end of their journey, the graduating class shrunk by more than 80%. To put that into perspective, that's an alarming but understandable rate for the times. I have no idea how that graduating class fared in their lives. WW2 was not that far off; the Great Depression was dead ahead; and the USA was a lot less hospitable to those of us "not blessed" with a certain ancestry. I don't know what motivated you to post this, but want to express my appreciation to you for doing so.
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  27. This bill has zero chance of passing. No way Florida will ever pay teachers and coaches well. State does not give a crap about education so good teachers and coaches leave the state in droves. Dont get me started on the crazy laws about movies, books and what is taught in schools. The last big raise was all for new teachers and gave the veteran teachers squat.
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