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  1. 5 points
    The most hilarious part about you wasting your time to make up these points, none of them matter to the actual rules. UCF went undefeated and was ranked #1 by an NCAA Major Selector which makes them a National Champ for 2017.
  2. 4 points
    gatorman-uf

    The Agenda Buster

    It is funny that Lakeland people are saying that they don't recruit when the entire "High School Free Agency" bill that was introduced by representatives of Polk County was because the FHSAA punished Lakeland for a couple of kids transferring for athletic reasons. And the fact that our state legislature hates public schools.
  3. 4 points
    Btw I'll say this as well If you hate my rankings so much or think i do such a crap job, do your own damn rankings I put in hours each week when I could be doing plenty of other stuff, if you don't agree with something that's one thing but to imply i have no idea what I'm talking about or that i didn't put in effort is a load of bullshit considering I don't see anyone else on this entire forum doing a statewide rankings even up to 25 and I've been ranking 80 teams Even if you don't agree with what i did you can at least show respect for the effort i put into my rankings!
  4. 4 points
    HornetFan

    Pick em (badbird woes)

    The UCF National Championship claim upset a lot of the privileged elite in college football, but it also put them on notice and exposed the Power 5 Cartel for what their national championship is; an invitational limited only to Power 5 teams. Here we are two years later and UCF bitch-slapped another Power 5 team this past weekend.
  5. 3 points
    There is no National Championship Game; there is a Power 5 Invitational that excludes Group of 5 teams. There is no legitimate national championship trophy. NCAA recognizes UCF National Championship.
  6. 3 points
    As a UCF Alum, I'm all about them claiming a stake in the National Championship because they caught lightning in a bottle. The problem with scheduling is that Power 5 teams won't schedule UCF. That Stanford game was scheduled years ago and they just played it. Can you see a team at the higher end of the SEC or ACC scheduling UCF? Not a chance. It's a tough spot for UCF because when they lose a game, they were over-rated and had no reason to be there but then they win and it's "That Pac-12 team was soft. Pitt is at the bottom of the ACC." Or, from the other side of it - beating UCF doesn't do much for a Power 5 school other than a win over a ranked opponent. But, say a team like Oklahoma or Florida schedules them and UCF wins? Then they get legitimized and it hurts the Power 5 system in general. I get the fact that people don't like that they proclaimed themselves National Champions. But, people disrespect the dominance they've shown over the last 3 years and try to sweep it under the rug. As football fans, which we are, that's just being boneheaded.
  7. 3 points
    Which will be the best games this year? INTRACOUNTY RIVALRIES Alachua Gainesville vs Buchholz 10/4/19 Brevard Cocoa vs Rockledge(The BBQ Bowl) 11/1/19 Cocoa vs Astronaut no game this year Cocoa vs Merritt Island-temporarily discontinued Titusville vs Astronaut(Battle for the Hudson Trophy) 11/1/19 Eau Gallie vs Melbourne 11/1/19 Satellite vs Cocoa Beach(Beach Bowl) 9/27/19 Broward Dillard vs Ely(Soul Bowl) 11/2/19 South Plantation vs Plantation(Mayor's Cup) 10/4/19 Fort Lauderdale vs Stranahan 11/1/19 St Thomas Aquinas vs Cardinal Gibbons-temporarily discontinued Charlotte Charlotte vs Port Charlotte 10/18/19 Collier Naples vs Immokalee 10/25/19 Naples vs Lely(Coconut Bowl) 10/11/19 Naples vs Barron Collier(Cross Town Showdown) 9/27/19 Duval Lee vs Jackson no game this year Raines vs Ribault(Northwest Classic Trophy) 10/12/19 Escambia Escambia vs Pensacola High(Ye Olde Wash Boiler Tub) 11/1/19 Escambia vs Pine Forest Escambia won 23-20 Hernando Citrus vs Hernando 10/11/19 Highlands Sebring vs Avon Park-temporarily discontinued Sebring leads series 54-40-1 Hillsborough Armwood vs Plant AW won 38-3 Plant vs Hillsborough no game this year Plant vs Robinson 11/1/19 Tampa Catholic vs Jesuit 11/1/19 Indian River Sebastian River vs Vero Beach Lake Leesburg vs Eustis Lee Fort Myers vs North Fort Myers(Battle of the Callosahatchee River) Lehigh vs East Lee County(Beast of the East) Leon Godby vs Rickards Lincoln vs Leon Manatee Manatee vs Southeast-temporarily discontinued Manatee vs Palmetto Marion Vanguard vs North Marion Martin County Martin County vs South Fork (Martin Bowl) Miami-Dade Northwestern vs Jackson(Soul Bowl) Homestead vs South Dade Coral Gables vs Miami High Killian vs Palmetto (Cat Trophy) Killian vs Southridge 11/1/19 North Miami vs North Miami Beach Columbus vs Belen Jesuit Okaloosa Fort Walton Beach vs Choctawhatchee(The Game) Niceville vs Crestview Osceola Osceola vs St Cloud State's 5th oldest rivalry. Orange Boone vs Edgewater(Battle for the Spirit Barrel) Jones vs Evans(Soul Bowl) Oviedo vs Hagerty(Mayor's Cup) Dr Phillips vs Olympia Palm Beach Pahokee vs Glades Central(Muck Bowl) Palm Beach Central vs Wellington(Wellington Cup) Pasco Pasco vs Zephyrhills(The 9-Mile War) Pinellas Tarpon Springs vs East Lake Palm Harbor University vs East Lake Polk Lakeland vs Kathleen Winter Haven vs Auburndale Winter Haven vs Lake Wales Bartow vs Lake Wales Fort Meade vs Frostproof St Johns Nease vs Ponte Vedra(Battle for the Bridge) St Augustine vs Menendez St Lucie Westwood vs Fort Pierce Central(The Showdown) 9/20/19 Santa Rosa Gulf Breeze vs Navarre(Public Peach Bowl Cup) Navarre won 28-21 Pace vs Milton(Bronze Helmet) 10/25/19 Seminole Lake Brantley vs Lake Mary(Mayor's Cup) Lake Mary won 42-0 Volusia Mainland vs Seabreeze(Spike Welshinger Trophy) 10/25/19 INTERCOUNTY RIVALRIES South FL: Okeechobee vs Clewiston(Hendry) Okeechobee vs Martin County Central FL: Seminole vs Deland(Volusia) "Battle of the Bridge" Hardee vs Desoto(Walter F Buck Carlton Trophy) Melbourne Central Catholic(Brevard) vs John Carroll(St Lucie) 11/1/19 Vero Beach(Indian River) vs Fort Pierce Central(St Lucie) Cardinal Mooney(Sarasota) vs Bishop Verot(Lee) North FL: Palatka(Putnam) vs St Augustine(St Johns) Columbia vs Suwannee(Oaken Bucket) Columbia vs Gainesville Santa Fe(Alachua) vs Fort White(Columbia) " Battle for the Paddle" Santa Fe won 10-0 Blountstown(Calhoun) vs Port St Joe(Gulf) Jay vs Flomaton(Alabama)
  8. 3 points
    badbird

    Pick em (badbird woes)

    I had a really bad week. There will be a new leader. I'm still Pre Dorian 2019 Pick em champ.
  9. 3 points
    He probably hasn't been at Lakeland long enough to realize that
  10. 3 points
    Steinbrenner Warriors

    Need Help with RPI

    So I just got a response from Frank Beasley at FHSAA. I had written him explaining some of the confusion with the posted formula on FHSAA and asked for clarification and he responded by posting a link to the posted formula in question. lol. So back to square 1
  11. 3 points
    How about Atlantic crushing Glades Central in the Muck 49-3? ...or Booker T Washington dominating Columbus 34-11? ...or Bartram Trail upsetting Mandarin 32-7? ...or Dunnellon beating Vanguard 23-20? ...or Tampa Bay Tech stomping Plant 40-14?
  12. 3 points
    badbird

    Pick em (badbird woes)

    They use to not have national championships so you had to claim fake ones. It’s all good. I’m claiming my fake pick em contest winner championship. Don’t hate
  13. 3 points
    HornetFan

    Pick em (badbird woes)

    Many schools, including a couple of elite SEC programs, have claimed "fake" titles over the years, Bama being one of them. I'm a long time Gator fan, but I'm not delusional enough to believe the Gators could beat the UCF team of the past three years.
  14. 3 points
    Coach

    When do you go for 2?

    Totally. I've always pulled double duty as JV HC and a Varsity assistant and I'm the one who advocates going for two. Maybe I'm just too aggressive but I think it puts other teams in a bind, especially if you're good near the goal line, because it changes the way they have to call plays. Plus, if you go 1/2 you still have 14 points.At least that's how I look at it.
  15. 3 points
    skyway

    20 Interesting Games Next Week

    I think OSL was talking about high school games involving teams who might be playing in the state playoffs.
  16. 3 points
    Tarpon had alum Atif Austin as their head coach and then fired him in 2011. Probably the best thing for him as he went on to get a few FCS championship rings at North Dakota State as the WR coach and special teams coordinator. He then went on to get a super bowl ring for the New England Patriots as the assistant running backs coach. He now is the running backs coach and special teams coordinator at Northern Illinois. I think Atif got the last laugh.
  17. 2 points
    That would require UCF actually being presented a offer to join a power 5 conference None these power 5 conferences seem interested in expansion (probably at the request of Mark Emmett, the biggest fraud in colligate sports)
  18. 2 points
    The whole let's see who claims who as the top team and use that to define us as national champs is the exact same thing that happens with box office movies. Every commercial for each of the really big movies find a media outlet to dub their film the movie of the year. Not to mention only one movie ultimately wins the award from The Academy.
  19. 2 points
    And the NCAA that year (as well as year before) completely devalued the conference championship in order to make it about money (which is the only thing they care about) They decided 2 years in a row to allow a team who didn't even win their conference to make playoffs That's pathetic
  20. 2 points
    Im a first year official doing jv and freshman games. This is not true. They tell us during our trainings not to call things that are on opposite side of the field, unless its unsportsmanlike, a saftey issue, or the played has been warned multiple times.
  21. 2 points
  22. 2 points
    Drogo

    Vero Beach vs Merritt Island

    I know it’s before most everyone’s time, but this was a huge rivalry in the late 70’s through the 80’s. Both teams were competing for state championships back then, with Merritt Island winning back to back in 78, 79. and Vero winning it in 81...
  23. 2 points
    Tigers13

    78 Florida High School Rivalries

    Cocoa vs Rockledge is a rivalry
  24. 2 points
    OldSchoolLion

    The Agenda Buster

    I have always had respect for Lakeland. Last season I made a thread that demonstrated how the Naughts did not inherit a lot of highly rated transfers to win their state title. Nor have they this year, really. It was the sheer number of transfers they got this year that got my attention. I have to question what south FL powers Lakeland has beaten of late outside St Thomas. Some of the south FL teams Lakeland has invited to come play are far from powers. I also question how your data proves in no uncertain terms that Miami-Dade teams recruit better than Lakeland. The number of highly-rated players on those MD teams may simply be a function of the relative numbers of talented players available in Miami-Dade. There are a lot more 3- and 4-star players floating around Miami-Dade than there are in Polk County simply because MD dwarfs PC in terms of population. Let's be real. If a couple more 4-star players showed up on Lakeland's doorstep this year, would they have been turned away? As it is, a couple of PC teams were highly impacted (Kathleen and Lake Gibson). Kathleen lost at least 7 players to Lakeland as best I can tell. I would challenge that the relative impact of those transfers was as great or greater than the impact on any MD team. So, maybe Lakeland's lack of high star power has as much to do with "opportunity" as it does with recruiting efficacy. My issue nowadays is not recruiting or transfers, per se. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt concerning recruiting unless I have proof otherwise. And a coach cannot necessarily control if players want to come play for him. But a coach can control who plays. How a coach today can look himself in the mirror and think it is sportsmanlike to win a state title by playing upwards of 20 transfers(some of them in front of kids who have paid their dues). ....they have their lost their moral compass.
  25. 2 points
    In summary taggart is scaring me with his recruiting and I'm worried on how many years and decades he setting this program back I'm mortified
  26. 2 points
    Trelle

    78 Florida High School Rivalries

    I wish Vero would play more Brevard teams good competition and in the past had good rivalries with Palm Bay and Merrit Island when they shared the same districts.
  27. 2 points
    Miami-Dade County high school football has its very own version of “A League of their Own” this season. With county powers Northwestern, Central, Booker T. Washington and Columbus, to name a few, having taken over the landscape in terms of domination and stacking rosters with top talent on an annual basis, the likes of Reagan, Goleman Coral Park, Varela and other programs have been left in the dust. Rather than get discouraged, the “little guys” who weren’t so little in terms of school size, went out and did something about it. With Reagan coach John Lopez, assistant coach Jorge Rojas along with the GMAC leading the way, months of contacting other schools to get them on board, along with informing the FHSAA that they would not be participating in the state series when it came to football, eventually led to the berth of the Miami-Dade County Football Conference. All 12 schools will still continue to be very much a part of the GMAC, they simply will not participate in the FHSAA state football playoffs come November. “This gives us a chance to be competitive and to be honest a sense of fairness since the entire county has now kind of become an entire group of either ‘haves’ or ‘have-nots,’ ” said Lopez who is the only coach the Reagan program has ever known, starting it from scratch 12 years ago. “Speaking just for Reagan, being capped out enrollment-wise, we’ve always taken pride in just simply figuring out how to play with whatever comes in the doors. Obviously we weren’t the only ones with this problem. Other schools were in the same boat and that’s when we started to put together the idea of doing something like this.” A total of 12 programs joined up to form the conference that is split into two divisions of six, a south division and a north. Forming the south are Braddock, Coral Park, Sunset, Reagan, Varela and Ferguson. Goleman, Hialeah-Miami Lakes, Mourning, Krop, Hialeah Gardens and Westland Hialeah are in the north. Both out of the gate with 3-0 starts, Goleman and Krop would appear to be the two best teams in this group of a dozen. “Our kids are excited for it, our coaches are excited for it I’m excited for it and our school is excited for it,” said Goleman head coach Ariel Cribiero. “I’d like to think that teams and programs that do it the right way and build with their own kids that this is our way of rewarding those kids. We’re a magnet school, our kids are smart, going to Ivy League schools, not necessarily to play football. We want to give them a great experience and going to this independent league will give them that opportunity.” The set up will be relatively simple. Each team will play the other five in its own division and then four other games against teams from the opposite division for a total of nine games. The 10th game (including a bye week) will be played the final regular season week (Oct. 31-Nov. 2). “We will pair up the two sixth-place teams against each other, then the fifth place and so on up to third place,” Rojas said. “Whoever finishes first and second will qualify for our playoffs on that weekend as well. The two semifinals will be first place from one division playing second from the other division and vice versa.” The two semifinal winners will then meet in the championship game, scheduled for Saturday, Nov. 9 at a neutral site, possibly Milander Stadium. “This new conference, it’s not going to be any different in that we’re going to come out with the same attitude every week play football the way we know how to play,” said Reagan senior quarterback Johnny Vega. “It’s a matter of knowing that we have to beat whoever is in front of us. But now we’ll shoot to win the championship in our conference and that’s going to be pretty cool.”
  28. 2 points
    Just a reminder, I'm pretty sure the East Dillon Lions refused to come out after halftime in their first game of the season when they were down 45-0. As a result, they forfeited the game. One year later, Coach Taylor led the Lions to a state championship. In Texas, no less. So don't sleep on Northeast next year.
  29. 2 points
    Well to be fair DFB already lost to a school in 4a this year (Carol City) So I don't think Zachary being a "smaller school" quite let's them off the hook for this, even as a smaller school Zachary is generally one of best LA has each year Just like John Curtis would be a 4a school in FL but many would favor John Curtis over most 8a schools in FL
  30. 2 points
    I watched the BTW game on NFHS. Columbus imploded and lost Xzavier Henderson to injury in the second half. BTW defense was great. They have a beefy Oline that can make some holes. The BTW qb was undersized, but completed some surprising passes...just enough to keep a good Columbus D off balance. 4A Region 4 will be a battle this year!
  31. 2 points
    DarterBlue2

    Columbia vs Pine Forest

    Congratulations! Hard fought win by Columbia. Here in Orlando, Edgewater beat up Godby 48-7 while Apopka beat Ocoee 41-12. In my humble opinion, Edgewater is far and away the best team in Orlando. But their run will again likely stop at the state semifinals against Lakeland.
  32. 2 points
    Lake Minneola is an average Orlando area team. If Minneola gave VB trouble, VB is probably make another early playoff exit.
  33. 2 points
    peezy28

    Tampa Bay Tech

    Laz is legit and been doing this since before you were born LMAO... I am talking pen and pencil old. Oh and he is a cool ass dude too.
  34. 2 points
    This is exactly what high school football is supposed to be about; playing for your neighborhood school against another neighborhood's high school football team. It's not supposed to be about who can assemble the best all-star team by raiding programs and recruiting their best players. Rather than make a new conference for 30 or so schools that respect school boundaries, why not have the recruiting schools establish their own conference and leave the FHSAA state tournament to the traditional high school football programs? This way the kids would be playing each week against competition that they actually have a chance of beating, and the recruiting programs can play for the national ranking and play the IMGs and St Frances' of the football world.
  35. 2 points
    peezy28

    Boca Ciega Beat Tarpon 88-0 in 3 qtrs

    They are the Greeks of Tarpon... you have NO IDEA.
  36. 2 points
    Pahokee will not beat a good 1A team running the offense that they are running, sorry 561_Fan, but it isn't going to happen!!!!
  37. 1 point
    UCF officially listed among national champions in 2018 NCAA record book
  38. 1 point
    ColumbiaHighFan2017class

    Question for Josh

    They have some talent but are not as strong overall as the team last year if it helps I actually picked Atlantic to beat Chaminade
  39. 1 point
    Rather than fits; it would be an old fashioned ass kicking with the establishment teams trying to catch their breath. Just what is a "nolebull"? Please don't say it's a fan of the FSU Noles and USF Bulls. If so, I now realize why you're so pissed about UCF.
  40. 1 point
    nolebull813

    Blocked punt or Roughing the Kicker?

    If the ball gets touched by the defender before the punter gets hit then it’s a blocked kick
  41. 1 point
    561_Fan

    Dwyer 16-Pahokee 20

    I'll take the W, but the coaches need to stick to what works and not try to do everything...also they make QUESTIONABLE substitutions and they still won't run the ball
  42. 1 point
    Cat_Scratch

    Pick em (badbird woes)

    Save the reason's why UCF isn't deserving for the excuse thread... NCAA recognizes UCF's national championship in addition to Alabama's UCF, after all the pomp and circumstance, is a national champion. According to the 2018 record book released last week, the Knights are listed - with Alabama as a team that finished the season No. 1. UCF, which finished 13-0 last season with a win over Auburn in the Peach Bowl, finished atop the Colley-Matrix, one of the computer rankings recognized by the NCAA. The NCAA, per The Orlando Sentinel, recognizes the teams that finish atop major polls, including the Colley-Matrix. The Knights and their undefeated season have been a storyline all offseason since the Peach Bowl win over Auburn. https://www.al.com/sports/2018/08/ncaa_recognizes_ucfs_national.html
  43. 1 point
    LakelandGator

    The Agenda Buster

    Lakeland transfers vs Dade County! Let's look at the "real" numbers from "real" talent. We will exclude bench riders, followers looking for a ring, and most importantly someone's agenda. Lakeland---2018 and 2019 1. Lloyd Summerall---4 star 2018 team sign with UF 2. Jaharie Martin---0 star 2018 team signed with Montana 3. Chris Howard---0 star 2018 team signed with Central Arkansas 4. Jace Hohenthaner--0 star 2017 and 2018 teams. Dad's job relocated to area, signed with Northern Illinois 5. Willie Lampkin---2 star 2018 and 2019 teams committed to Coastal Carolina 6. Arian Smith---4 star 2019 team 7. Kendall Dennis---4 star 2019 team 8.. Chayil Garnett---3 star 2019 team 9. Khalil Crawford---2 star 2017 and 2018 teams. Family moved here from another state, signed with Navy Miami Central---2018 and 2019 1. Henry Gray---4 star 2018 team 2. Amari Daniels---4 star 2018 team 3. Katravis Marsh---3 star 2018 team 4. Deidrick Stanley--3 star 2019 team 5. Josue Ultima---3 star 2019 team 6. Ali Makabu---0 star D2 offers 2019 team 7. Jesus Machado---3 star 2018 team, no longer there 8. Jalen Harrell---4 star, no longer there 9. Jovens Janvier---4 star, no longer there 10. Marc Christie---0 star 4 offers 2019 team Miami Northwestern---2018 and 2019 1. Ronald Delancy---3 star 2018 team 2. Leslie Smith---3 star 2018 team signed with Pitt 3. Terrance Lewis---5 star 2018 team 4. Jaquez Stuart---3 star 2018 team signed with Toledo 5. Isaiah Velez---3 star 2018 EKU 6. Khalil Brantley--- 3 star committed to UM 7. Nathaniel Noel---3 star 8. Rayquan Berry--- signed with FAU 9. Tim Burns Jr.----3 star 2018 team committed to UM 10. Sean Delaughter---0 star signed with Fort Scott JUCO 11. Georell Kidd---2 star signed with Buffalo 12. Wati Huggins---3 star 2019 team committed to FIU 13. John Joachin----2018 team, transferred in and now is gone. 3 offers 14. Antwan Massie---0 star 3 offers 15. Marcus Fleming---4 star 2019 team 16. Amahri McCray---9 offers 2019 team The moral to this story: 1. Lakeland "recruiting" is JV compared to Dade County. 2. Bill Castle and staff takes good and decent HS players and consistently beat south Fla powers. #AgendaBuster https://twitter.com/CountyPolk
  44. 1 point
    And because I spent too much time on my FL poll I don't have time to do a college one too LMAO
  45. 1 point
    Hwy17

    North Marion

    North Marion 25 Hardee 13. Both teams have good defenses. North Marion was more disciplined and got out to and early lead quick. Penalties are what hurt Hardee more than anything.
  46. 1 point
    Vero has a strong 8a defense that will play a toll on what kinda game this will be....and combination of Chaminade playing Carol City and Atlantic back to back is going to take a toll on the 3a school....lastly Chaminade don't impress me too much this year I'll say they prolly a TD better than AHD Keys to victory for Vero Pound the football and don't pass that much, wear down the defense with the run game, it worked real well with AHD and that's how Vero pretty much edged out that game Defense should keep the same energy they had with AHD
  47. 1 point
    Though I understand the point you are making and i will keep it under advisement for future weeks and hopefully can adjust them to a more proper rating
  48. 1 point
    I resent the fact that you think I would make fun of this amazingly awesome stupendous system. The FHSAA as always has run the numbers on things like this and shared that information completely with everyone to allow for complete and absolute trust in the system. Ok going to stop now.... Honestly, I am probably going to do that no matter what the situation is. The only difference is that I would like to be accurate when mocking rather than just shooting from the hip. I know they will release the information in 2-3 weeks from now, but I know the time it takes to set something like this up. To do ONE (1) region, it is going to take know the records of 276 teams, and of those 276 teams having to know who beat who for 87 of those teams (even though I just care about the 20-25 teams in a given region). I remember the first year of the "power" point system, every week I e-mailed the FHSAA with small errors, but I was only looking at one region in one Classification. Who knows if there were errors in other areas. By the 2nd year they had cleaned up the errors and I only sent one e-mail at the beginning for a small problem. On a complete different side note, if some coach would like to pay me in Buffalo Wild Wings, Beef O Brady, Hooters, or WingHouse gift cards next year so that I run the numbers for their region, please let me know. I will also accept straight cash.
  49. 1 point
    I tried, my request was denied so I am still here LOL
  50. 1 point
    nolebull813

    Reschedule from Hurricane?

    I know a team in Tennessee that has 10/11 open but I feel they would beat Cocoa. Cocoa doesn’t do well North of Jacksonville or West of Pensacola. So I’ll pass for the time. If I find a team I feel they could compete with I’ll let them know
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