Ray Icaza Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Perspective said: Ray, I was thinking it might be all the Metro 1A teams (are there any?) who wanted to get away from MadCo. #Jessestheory. Anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nulli Secundus Posted February 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Perspective said: How many total classifications will there be now? Did the FHSAA just double the number of state champions that will be crowned? If so, I guess that means they doubled the number of state championship games that will be played . . . which will result in more revenue? Hmmmmm. Well, I guess I can start looking forward to the unsolvable debates as to whether the Metro state champ would have beaten the Suburban state champ had they only been able to play. That's assuming the metro champ and the suburban champ in a particular classification don't play each other to crown a true state champ. 9 in total Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Wilson Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, Nulli Secundus said: 9 in total Metro 1A District 1: Bishop Snyder, Cedar Creek Christian, Eagle's View, North Florida Educational, Jacksonville Trinity Christian District 2: Christ's Church, Harvest Community, Providence, Jacksonville University Christian District 3: Orangewood Christian, Orlando Faith Christian, Oviedo Master's Academy, Winter Park Trinity Prep, Lake Mary Prep District 4: Belle Isle Cornerstone Charter, Central Florida Christian, Ocoee Legacy Charter, Orlando Christian Prep, Orlando First Academy, Winter Garden Foundation Academy District 5: Clearwater Central Catholic, Seffner Christian, Tampa Cambridge, Tampa Carrollwood Day District 6: Indian Rocks Christian, Keswick Christian, Shorecrest Prep, St. Petersburg Catholic, St. Petersburg Northside Christian District 7: Glades Day, Jupiter Christian, Pahokee, Palm Beach Gardens Benjamin District 8: Cardinal Newman, West Palm Beach Berean Christian, West Palm Beach King's Academy, Delray Beach Village Academy District 9: Boca Raton Christian, Boca Raton St. John Paul II, Chaminade-Madonna, Fort Lauderdale Westminster Academy, Deerfield Beach Somerset Academy District 10: Avant Garde, Miami Country Day, True North, Miami Westminster Christian District 11: Archbishop Carroll, Dade Christian, Florida Christian, Miami Christian, Palm Glades Prep District 12: Champagnat, Everglades Prep, Palmer Trinity, Homestead Somerset Academy Charter South Metro 2A District 1: Baldwin, Jackson, Paxon, Raines, Ribault, Stanton District 2: Bishop Kenny, Bolles, Episcopal, Westside, Wolfson District 3: Bishop Moore, Winter Garden Horizon, Lake Buena Vista, Lake Highland Prep, Windermere Prep District 4: Berkeley Prep, Clearwater Calvary Christian, Dunedin, Tampa Catholic District 5: Chamberlain, Tampa Jefferson, Tampa King, Robinson District 6: Boca Ciega, St. Petersburg Gibbs, St. Petersburg Lakewood, Tarpon Springs District 7: Delray Beach American Heritage, Glades Central, Pine Crest, Boynton Beach Somerset Canyons District 8: Boca Raton St. Andrew's, Coral Springs Charter, North Broward Prep, Pompano Beach, Stranahan District 9: Cardinal Gibbons, Fort Lauderdale Calvary Christian, Fort Lauderdale University, Hallandale, North Miami Beach, Pembroke Pines Somerset Academy District 10: Hialeah-Miami Lakes, Miami Carol City, Miami Edison, Miami Jackson, Monsignor Pace, Westland Hialeah District 11: Miami Booker T. Washington, Miami Central, Miami Springs, Ransom Everglades, South Miami District 12: Gulliver Prep, Immaculata-LaSalle, Miami Killian, Miami Sunset, Silver Palms Somerset Charter, St. Brendan Metro 3A District 1: Ed White, First Coast, Riverside District 2: Englewood, Fletcher, Parker District 3: Lake Howell, Lyman, Winter Springs District 4: Edgewater, Orlando East River, Orlando Jones, Wekiva District 5: Blake, Gaither, Middleton, Tampa Bay Tech, Tampa Freedom, Wharton District 6: Clearwater, Clearwater Countryside, Hillsborough, Leto, Seminole, Seminole Osceola, Tampa Jesuit District 7: Hollins, Largo, Pinellas Park, St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg Northeast District 8: Armwood, Brandon, Gibsonton East Bay, Ruskin Lennard, Spoto District 9: Boynton Beach, Delray Beach Atlantic, Dwyer, Loxahatchee Seminole Ridge, Riviera Beach Suncoast, District 10: Blanche Ely, Coconut Creek, Piper, Plantation American Heritage, West Boca Raton District 11: Boyd Anderson, Dillard, Hollywood Hills, Nova, Oakland Park Northeast, District 12: Miramar Everglades, Miramar, Plantation, St. Thomas Aquinas, South Plantation District 13: Archbishop McCarthy, Dr. Krop, McArthur, North Miami, Pembroke Pines Charter District 14: Miami Norland, Miami Northwestern, Mourning, Reagan District 15: Hialeah, Hialeah American, Mater Academy, Miami Beach, Miami Coral Park, District 16: Belen Jesuit, Homestead, Miami Southridge, Southwest Miami, Miami Varela Metro 4A District 1: Atlantic Coast, Mandarin, Sandalwood District 2: Apopka, Hagerty, Lake Brantley, Oviedo, Sanford Seminole District 3: Colonial, Boone, Timber Creek, Orlando University, Winter Park District 4: Orlando Evans, Lake Nona, Oak Ridge, Orlando Cypress Creek, Orlando Freedom District 5: Dr. Phillips, Ocoee, Olympia, West Orange, Windermere District 6: Palm Harbor University, Sickles, Steinbrenner, Tarpon Springs East Lake District 7: Alonso, Bloomingdale, Newsome, Tampa Plant District 8: Durant, Plant City, Riverview, Strawberry Crest, Sumner District 9: Forest Hill, Jupiter, Palm Beach Gardens, Palm Beach Lakes, Royal Palm Beach District 10: Greenacres John I. Leonard, Lake Worth, Palm Beach Central, Park Vista, Santaluces, Wellington District 11: Boca Raton, Marjory Stoneman Douglas, Olympic Heights, Spanish River District 12: Coral Springs, Coral Glades, Deerfield Beach, Monarch, Taravella District 13: Cooper City, Davie Western, Flanagan, Fort Lauderdale, District 14: Cypress Bay, Hialeah Gardens, Goleman, South Broward, West Broward District 15: Braddock, Coral Gables, Ferguson, Miami Columbus, Miami Senior District 16: Doral Academy, Miami Coral Reef, Miami Palmetto, South Dade Suburban 1A Region 1: Baker, Cottondale, Freeport, Graceville, Holmes County, Jay, Northview, Vernon Region 2: Blountstown, Chipley, Franklin County, Jefferson County, Liberty County, Port St. Joe, Sneads, Wewahitchka Region 3: Bell, Branford, Dixie County, Fort White, Hamilton County, Hilliard, Madison County, Mayo Lafayette Region 4: Bronson, Chiefland, Fort Meade, Hawthorne, Trenton, Union County, Wildwood, Williston, Pierson Taylor Suburban 1B Region 1: Aucilla Christian, FAMU, Maclay, North Florida Christian, Quincy Munroe, Rocky Bayou Christian, St. Joseph, Tallahassee St. John Paul II, Gainesville St. Francis, P.K. Yonge, Oak Hall, Region 2: Father Lopez, Halifax, Leesburg First Academy, Melbourne Central Catholic, Mount Dora Christian, Ocala Christian, Ocala Trinity Catholic, Seven Rivers Christian, Deltona Trinity Christian, Bishop McLaughlin, Region 3: Bell Creek, Bradenton Christian, Bradenton St. Stephen's, Cardinal Mooney, Community School, Evangelical Christian, Fort Myers Canterbury, Gateway Charter, Marco Island Academy, Naples First Baptist, Naples St. John Neumann, Sarasota Christian, Sarasota Out-of-Door, Southwest Florida Christian Region 4: Fort Pierce John Carroll, Holy Trinity, Lakeland Christian, Lakeland Santa Fe Catholic, Lakeland Victory Christian, Moore Haven, Vero Beach St. Edward's, Zephyrhills Christian Suburban 2A District 1: Pensacola, Pensacola Catholic, South Walton, Walton, West Florida District 2: Bay, Bozeman, North Bay Haven, Rutherford District 3: Florida High, Gadsden County, Marianna, Suwannee, Taylor County District 4: Fernandina Beach, West Nassau, Yulee District 5: Crescent City, Interlachen, Keystone Heights, Palatka, Tocoi Creek District 6: Alachua Santa Fe, Bradford, Gainesville Eastside, Newberry District 7: Crystal River, Dunnellon, North Marion District 8: Eustis, Mount Dora, Umatilla, South Sumter, The Villages District 9: Brooksville Central, Hernando, Discovery, District 10: Anclote, Hudson, Nature Coast District 11: Bayshore, DeSoto County, Hardee, Sarasota Booker, Lemon Bay District 12: Bishop Verot, Estero, Fort Myers Gateway, Oasis, Bonita Springs District 13: Astronaut, Port Orange Atlantic, Titusville, Cocoa, Cocoa Beach, Space Coast District 14: Four Corners, Frostproof, Mulberry, Tenoroc District 15: Avon Park, Clewiston, LaBelle, Lake Placid District 16: Coral Shores, Marathon, Key West Suburban 3A District 1: Choctawhatchee, Escambia, Fort Walton Beach, Pensacola Washington, Pine Forest District 2: Arnold, Godby, Lincoln, Rickards District 3: Baker County, Columbia, Wakulla District 4: Clay, Middleburg, Orange Park, Ridgeview District 5: Belleview, Citrus, Lake Weir, Lecanto, Ocala Vanguard District 6: Pasco, Leesburg, Tavares, Weeki Wachee, Zephyrhills District 7: Deltona, Mainland, Pine Ridge, Seabreeze, District 8: Matanzas, Menendez, St. Augustine District 9: Davenport, Kissimmee Gateway, Kissimmee Liberty District 10: Auburndale, Lake Region, Lake Wales, Sebring District 11: Bayside, Eau Gallie, Merritt Island, Rockledge, Satellite District 12: Fort Pierce Westwood, Jensen Beach, Okeechobee, Port St. Lucie, South Fork District 13: Fivay, New Port Richey Gulf, River Ridge, Wesley Chapel, Wesley Chapel Cypress Creek District 14: Braden River, Bradenton Southeast, Parrish, Port Charlotte District 15: Cape Coral, Cypress Lake, Dunbar, Island Coast, Mariner, North Fort Myers District 16: Barron Collier, Golden Gate, Lely, Naples Suburban 4A District 1: Gulf Breeze, Milton, Pace, Tate District 2: Crestview, Mosley, Navarre, Niceville District 3: Chiles,Fleming Island, Leon, Oakleaf District 4: Bartram Trail, Creekside, Flagler Palm Coast, Nease, Ponte Vedra District 5: Buchholz, Gainesville, Ocala Forest, West Port District 6: East Ridge, Lake Minneola, Ridge Community, South Lake District 7: DeLand, New Smyrna Beach, Orange City University, Spruce Creek District 8: Celebration, Haines City, Kissimmee Osceola, Poinciana, Tohopekaliga District 9: Bartow, George Jenkins, Kathleen, Lake Gibson, Lakeland, Winter Haven District 10: Land O'Lakes, Mitchell, Springstead, Sunlake, Wiregrass Ranch District 11: Harmony, Melbourne, Palm Bay Heritage, St. Cloud, Viera District 12: Centennial, Fort Pierce Central, Martin County, Sebastian River, Treasure Coast, Vero Beach District 13: Manatee, Palmetto, Sarasota, Sarasota Riverview, Venice District 14: Charlotte, Ida Baker, Lakewood Ranch, North Port District 15: East Lee County, Fort Myers, Lehigh, Riverdale, South Fort Myers District 16: Gulf Coast, Immokalee, Palmetto Ridge THIS IS NOT WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE... Nulli Secundus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Wilson Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 Ray Icaza 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nulli Secundus Posted February 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Joshua Wilson said: THIS IS NOT WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE... Edited the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisabledAccount Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, badbird said: It's a bad idea we are stuck with because of a bunch of cry babies just like the Rural class. Cry enough and you get what you want. This is a bad plan and does nothing to adress the problems. And what do you suggest they do? All I hear is "this plan sucks" If you have something better than share it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspective Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Joshua Wilson said: Josh, Did the proposal/motion that was approved establish which counties/schools are metro and which are suburban? Did it establish the population cut-off numbers for metro/suburban? If not, who will make all these decisions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckboy561 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 It passed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Icaza Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 Don't you just love the "Fake Suburban Title" argument from those that favored the other plan. The plan they admit would have a third top quality teams, a third average quality teams and a third poor quality teams. Win two titles in the poor quality teams category and that is an accomplishment. NO FAKE TITLE here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridaatlantic1 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 The fake suburban title is great for your team. You and Venice can play each other every year for the title and avoid Apopka, DP and other Orlando/Miami teams. Just cant wait until we all see the vast variety of teams winning state championships now in both levels. It will be same teams in all 9 who win state every year and then lots of teams go independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, badbird said: They stay 1A. They cried to get away from the small private schools and they ended up with Madison and Pahokee. They get what they deserve. Best post you ever written Ray Icaza and Nulli Secundus 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Icaza Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said: The fake suburban title is great for your team. You and Venice can play each other every year for the title and avoid Apopka, DP and other Orlando/Miami teams. Just cant wait until we all see the vast variety of teams winning state championships now in both levels. It will be same teams in all 9 who win state every year and then lots of teams go independent. Hey, we are talking about dozens of teams with a winning heritage that have challenged for championships and even won some. Pine Forest, Escambia, Pensacola Washington, Niceville, Wakulla, Columbia, St. Augustine, Manatee, Sarasota Riverview, Naples, Cocoa, Rockledge, Merritt Island, Lake Gibson, Mainland and many others. Yes, it also includes Lakeland, Venice and Osceola. We don't want to avoid Apopka, DP, Seminole, Columbus and other championship contenders as we regularly schedule them in the past and will do so in 2022. You want to demean these teams with a winning culture dating back way before the transfer became an issue. But instead have a consolation prize for whatever school you represent with no such track record. Best to take your own advice and go independent. TRAJAN01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nulli Secundus Posted February 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said: Hey, we are talking about dozens of teams with a winning heritage that have challenged for championships and even won some. Pine Forest, Escambia, Pensacola Washington, Niceville, Wakulla, Columbia, St. Augustine, Manatee, Sarasota Riverview, Naples, Cocoa, Rockledge, Merritt Island, Lake Gibson, Mainland and many others. Yes, it also includes Lakeland, Venice and Osceola. We don't want to avoid Apopka, DP, Seminole, Columbus and other championship contenders as we regularly schedule them in the past and will do so in 2022. You want to demean these teams with a winning culture dating back way before the transfer became an issue. But instead have a consolation prize for whatever school you represent with no such track record. Best to take your own advice and go independent. 38 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said: The fake suburban title is great for your team. You and Venice can play each other every year for the title and avoid Apopka, DP and other Orlando/Miami teams. Just cant wait until we all see the vast variety of teams winning state championships now in both levels. It will be same teams in all 9 who win state every year and then lots of teams go independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridaatlantic1 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 putting teams in same division with 600-1000 students difference is equality. You mention all those great teams. It will be 2-3 teams who win the suburban title just like 2-3 who win all the title now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridaatlantic1 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 Your title will be seen as the B track title and everyone knows it. The whole rationale of the suburban idea is to avoid good teams and separate from them. So that shows you your Suburban title is fake compared to real state champion teams in Metro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridaatlantic1 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 I am fine with old idea of playing schools close to our size but 1000 more students is tough to overcome. I hope we do leave the FHSAA with a whole lot of other the other 1-2-3 A metro schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridaatlantic1 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 Predictions for state champs for next year and all the years after as long as they keep this dumb idea going. Metro- !a Chaminade Suburb- 1 Madison 2A- Central 1b- Victory Christian 3a- Northwestern/STA/ Edgewater 2A - Cocoa 4a- Apopka and Columbus 3A- Mainland or Naples 4a- Venice/Osceola/ Lakeland Maybe we can make the state title trophies out of gold for Metro and Hayseed for the second class state group Suburb. Ray Icaza 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Icaza Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said: Your title will be seen as the B track title and everyone knows it. The whole rationale of the suburban idea is to avoid good teams and separate from them. So that shows you your Suburban title is fake compared to real state champion teams in Metro. None of the schools I highlighted will view it as a B track title. That is only your view, but all these schools I highlighed will most definitely look at titles under the program you favor as a consolation prize, not a title. You keep crying about the difference in school size and I would guess that Pahokee, Trenton, Madison and so many other 2A or 3A schools would regularly beat up on your 6A school which you are not willing to identify. We have fought tooth and nail against STA in finals, losing but not making excuses. You want a disparity? I read several years ago that for 15 straight years every single OL from STA receive some type of a scholarship to college. The games are won in the trenches and no school in Florida could have made a claim like that back when. Today, more and more of these privates in big Metros are fielding teams that can match that and NO suburban school can acquire that level of talent at the line of scrimmage. Keep believing your team can't compete against the top teams and you will full fill that prediction groveling in mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspective Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 A couple of quick questions: 1. What was the primary argument advanced by the proponents of this plan? Not "what do you think the real reason was" but what did the proponents say was the reason this was necessary? 2. Does this apply to all sports or just football? If only football, why doesn't the same rationale apply to other sports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Icaza Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said: Predictions for state champs for next year and all the years after as long as they keep this dumb idea going. Metro- !a Chaminade Suburb- 1 Madison 2A- Central 1b- Victory Christian 3a- Northwestern/STA/ Edgewater 2A - Cocoa 4a- Apopka and Columbus 3A- Mainland or Naples 4a- Venice/Osceola/ Lakeland Maybe we can make the state title trophies out of gold for Metro and Hayseed for the second class state group Suburb. I reckon this gentleman just pissed off a bunch of the Seminole fans in my local area for the 4A title. Who knows what the schools in Jax are thinking along with a few others in Miami as Columbus squeaked by Palmetto. The other Metro's are probable but unlikely anyone challenging STA consistently. I see all the Suburban having many more possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridaatlantic1 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 If population was the big difference why were some counties who are in top 8 or 9 not in metro. Plan conveniently used population density. what the heck is even in Seminole county. Parks and bears is all I heard. They are not close to being metro. Why is polk not in metro. Convenient I am sure or their state rep might blow up whole FHSAA. This is a group of school who are glad to be second rate fake state champs.. that the reason for the plan. To act like real state champs when they are almost good enough now. wont help average schools in either division. FAKE Championships- I wonder which games college scouts would prefer to see. The REAL state Champs of metro or the suburban chumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridaatlantic1 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 I picked Apopka and Columbus over Seminole because APK beat seminole most years in playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Icaza Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said: If population was the big difference why were some counties who are in top 8 or 9 not in metro. Plan conveniently used population density. what the heck is even in Seminole county. Parks and bears is all I heard. They are not close to being metro. Why is polk not in metro. Convenient I am sure or their state rep might blow up whole FHSAA. This is a group of school who are glad to be second rate fake state champs.. that the reason for the plan. To act like real state champs when they are almost good enough now. wont help average schools in either division. FAKE Championships- I wonder which games college scouts would prefer to see. The REAL state Champs of metro or the suburban chumps. More blattering as somehow college scouts managed to find Derrick Henry in Yulee of all places. KeemD321 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Icaza Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said: I picked Apopka and Columbus over Seminole because APK beat seminole most years in playoffs Not two years ago and only a 1 pt. victory in overtime this year. It could have gone either way and I am sure Darter would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Icaza Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 Perspective, who is your question addressed to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.