Metro/Suburban Plan voted on. PASSED

[Ray Icaza]

3 minutes ago, Perspective said:

Ray, I was thinking it might be all the Metro 1A teams (are there any?) who wanted to get away from MadCo.  #Jessestheory. 

Anything is possible.

[Nulli Secundus]

8 minutes ago, Perspective said:

How many total classifications will there be now?  Did the FHSAA just double the number of state champions that will be crowned?    If so, I guess that means they doubled the number of state championship games that will be played . . . which will result in more revenue?   Hmmmmm.

Well, I guess I can start looking forward to the unsolvable debates as to whether the Metro state champ would have beaten the Suburban state champ had they only been able to play.   That's assuming the metro champ and the suburban champ in a particular classification don't play each other to crown a true state champ.

9 in total

 

[Joshua Wilson]

Just now, Nulli Secundus said:

9 in total

Metro 1A

District 1: Bishop Snyder, Cedar Creek Christian, Eagle's View, North Florida Educational, Jacksonville Trinity Christian

District 2: Christ's Church, Harvest Community, Providence, Jacksonville University Christian

District 3: Orangewood Christian, Orlando Faith Christian, Oviedo Master's Academy, Winter Park Trinity Prep, Lake Mary Prep

District 4: Belle Isle Cornerstone Charter, Central Florida Christian, Ocoee Legacy Charter, Orlando Christian Prep, Orlando First Academy, Winter Garden Foundation Academy

District 5: Clearwater Central Catholic, Seffner Christian, Tampa Cambridge, Tampa Carrollwood Day 

District 6: Indian Rocks Christian, Keswick Christian, Shorecrest Prep, St. Petersburg Catholic, St. Petersburg Northside Christian

District 7: Glades Day, Jupiter Christian,  Pahokee, Palm Beach Gardens Benjamin

District 8: Cardinal Newman, West Palm Beach Berean Christian, West Palm Beach King's Academy, Delray Beach Village Academy

District 9: Boca Raton Christian, Boca Raton St. John Paul II, Chaminade-Madonna, Fort Lauderdale Westminster Academy, Deerfield Beach Somerset Academy

District 10: Avant Garde, Miami Country Day, True North, Miami Westminster Christian

District 11: Archbishop Carroll, Dade Christian, Florida Christian, Miami Christian, Palm Glades Prep

District 12: Champagnat, Everglades Prep, Palmer Trinity, Homestead Somerset Academy Charter South

Metro 2A

District 1: Baldwin, Jackson, Paxon, Raines, Ribault, Stanton

District 2: Bishop Kenny, Bolles, Episcopal, Westside, Wolfson

District 3: Bishop Moore, Winter Garden Horizon, Lake Buena Vista, Lake Highland Prep, Windermere Prep

District 4: Berkeley Prep, Clearwater Calvary Christian, Dunedin, Tampa Catholic

District 5: Chamberlain, Tampa Jefferson, Tampa King, Robinson

District 6: Boca Ciega, St. Petersburg Gibbs, St. Petersburg Lakewood, Tarpon Springs 

District 7: Delray Beach American Heritage, Glades Central, Pine Crest, Boynton Beach Somerset Canyons

District 8: Boca Raton St. Andrew's, Coral Springs Charter, North Broward Prep, Pompano Beach, Stranahan

District 9: Cardinal Gibbons, Fort Lauderdale Calvary Christian, Fort Lauderdale University, Hallandale, North Miami Beach, Pembroke Pines Somerset Academy

District 10: Hialeah-Miami Lakes, Miami Carol City, Miami Edison, Miami Jackson, Monsignor Pace, Westland Hialeah 

District 11: Miami Booker T. Washington, Miami Central, Miami Springs, Ransom Everglades, South Miami 

District 12: Gulliver Prep, Immaculata-LaSalle, Miami Killian, Miami Sunset, Silver Palms Somerset Charter, St. Brendan

Metro 3A

District 1: Ed White, First Coast, Riverside

District 2: Englewood, Fletcher, Parker

District 3: Lake Howell,  Lyman, Winter Springs

District 4: Edgewater, Orlando East River, Orlando Jones, Wekiva

District 5: Blake, Gaither, Middleton, Tampa Bay Tech, Tampa Freedom, Wharton

District 6: Clearwater, Clearwater Countryside, Hillsborough, Leto, Seminole, Seminole Osceola, Tampa Jesuit

District 7: Hollins, Largo, Pinellas Park, St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg Northeast

District 8: Armwood, Brandon, Gibsonton East Bay, Ruskin Lennard, Spoto

District 9: Boynton Beach, Delray Beach Atlantic, Dwyer, Loxahatchee Seminole Ridge, Riviera Beach Suncoast, 

District 10: Blanche Ely, Coconut Creek, Piper, Plantation American Heritage, West Boca Raton

District 11: Boyd Anderson, Dillard, Hollywood Hills, Nova, Oakland Park Northeast,

District 12: Miramar Everglades, Miramar, Plantation, St. Thomas Aquinas, South Plantation

District 13: Archbishop McCarthy, Dr. Krop, McArthur, North Miami, Pembroke Pines Charter

District 14: Miami Norland, Miami Northwestern, Mourning, Reagan 

District 15: Hialeah, Hialeah American, Mater Academy, Miami Beach, Miami Coral Park, 

District 16: Belen Jesuit, Homestead, Miami Southridge, Southwest Miami, Miami Varela

Metro 4A

District 1: Atlantic Coast, Mandarin, Sandalwood

District 2: Apopka, Hagerty, Lake Brantley, Oviedo, Sanford Seminole

District 3: Colonial, Boone, Timber Creek, Orlando University, Winter Park

District 4: Orlando Evans, Lake Nona, Oak Ridge, Orlando Cypress Creek, Orlando Freedom

District 5: Dr. Phillips, Ocoee, Olympia, West Orange, Windermere

District 6: Palm Harbor University, Sickles, Steinbrenner, Tarpon Springs East Lake

District 7: Alonso, Bloomingdale, Newsome, Tampa Plant

District 8: Durant, Plant City, Riverview, Strawberry Crest, Sumner

District 9: Forest Hill, Jupiter, Palm Beach Gardens, Palm Beach Lakes, Royal Palm Beach

District 10: Greenacres John I. Leonard, Lake Worth, Palm Beach Central, Park Vista, Santaluces, Wellington

District 11: Boca Raton, Marjory Stoneman Douglas, Olympic Heights, Spanish River

District 12: Coral Springs, Coral Glades, Deerfield Beach, Monarch, Taravella

District 13: Cooper City, Davie Western, Flanagan, Fort Lauderdale, 

District 14: Cypress Bay, Hialeah Gardens, Goleman,  South Broward, West Broward

District 15: Braddock, Coral Gables, Ferguson, Miami Columbus, Miami Senior

District 16: Doral Academy, Miami Coral Reef, Miami Palmetto, South Dade

Suburban 1A

Region 1: Baker, Cottondale, Freeport, Graceville, Holmes County, Jay, Northview, Vernon

Region 2: Blountstown, Chipley, Franklin County, Jefferson County, Liberty County, Port St. Joe, Sneads, Wewahitchka

Region 3: Bell, Branford, Dixie County, Fort White, Hamilton County, Hilliard, Madison County, Mayo Lafayette

Region 4: Bronson, Chiefland, Fort Meade, Hawthorne, Trenton, Union County, Wildwood, Williston, Pierson Taylor

Suburban 1B

Region 1: Aucilla Christian, FAMU, Maclay, North Florida Christian, Quincy Munroe, Rocky Bayou Christian, St. Joseph, Tallahassee St. John Paul II, Gainesville St. Francis, P.K. Yonge, Oak Hall,

Region 2: Father Lopez, Halifax, Leesburg First Academy, Melbourne Central Catholic, Mount Dora Christian, Ocala Christian, Ocala Trinity Catholic, Seven Rivers Christian, Deltona Trinity Christian, Bishop McLaughlin,

Region 3: Bell Creek,  Bradenton Christian, Bradenton St. Stephen's, Cardinal Mooney, Community School, Evangelical Christian, Fort Myers Canterbury, Gateway Charter, Marco Island Academy, Naples First Baptist, Naples St. John Neumann, Sarasota Christian, Sarasota Out-of-Door, Southwest Florida Christian

Region 4: Fort Pierce John Carroll, Holy Trinity, Lakeland Christian, Lakeland Santa Fe Catholic, Lakeland Victory Christian, Moore Haven, Vero Beach St. Edward's, Zephyrhills Christian

Suburban 2A

District 1: Pensacola, Pensacola Catholic, South Walton, Walton, West Florida

District 2: Bay, Bozeman, North Bay Haven, Rutherford

District 3: Florida High, Gadsden County, Marianna, Suwannee, Taylor County

District 4: Fernandina Beach, West Nassau, Yulee

District 5: Crescent City, Interlachen, Keystone Heights, Palatka, Tocoi Creek

District 6: Alachua Santa Fe, Bradford, Gainesville Eastside, Newberry

District 7: Crystal River, Dunnellon, North Marion

District 8: Eustis, Mount Dora, Umatilla, South Sumter, The Villages

District 9: Brooksville Central, Hernando, Discovery,

District 10: Anclote, Hudson, Nature Coast 

District 11: Bayshore, DeSoto County, Hardee, Sarasota Booker, Lemon Bay

District 12: Bishop Verot, Estero, Fort Myers Gateway, Oasis, Bonita Springs

District 13: Astronaut, Port Orange Atlantic, Titusville, Cocoa, Cocoa Beach, Space Coast

District 14: Four Corners, Frostproof, Mulberry, Tenoroc

District 15: Avon Park, Clewiston, LaBelle, Lake Placid

District 16: Coral Shores, Marathon, Key West

Suburban 3A

District 1: Choctawhatchee, Escambia, Fort Walton Beach, Pensacola Washington, Pine Forest

District 2: Arnold, Godby, Lincoln, Rickards

District 3: Baker County, Columbia, Wakulla

District 4: Clay, Middleburg, Orange Park, Ridgeview

District 5: Belleview, Citrus, Lake Weir, Lecanto, Ocala Vanguard

District 6: Pasco, Leesburg, Tavares, Weeki Wachee, Zephyrhills

District 7: Deltona, Mainland, Pine Ridge, Seabreeze,

District 8: Matanzas, Menendez, St. Augustine

District 9: Davenport, Kissimmee Gateway, Kissimmee Liberty

District 10: Auburndale, Lake Region, Lake Wales, Sebring

District 11: Bayside, Eau Gallie, Merritt Island, Rockledge, Satellite

District 12: Fort Pierce Westwood, Jensen Beach, Okeechobee, Port St. Lucie, South Fork

District 13: Fivay, New Port Richey Gulf, River Ridge, Wesley Chapel, Wesley Chapel Cypress Creek

District 14: Braden River, Bradenton Southeast, Parrish, Port Charlotte

District 15: Cape Coral, Cypress Lake, Dunbar, Island Coast, Mariner, North Fort Myers

District 16: Barron Collier, Golden Gate, Lely, Naples

Suburban 4A

District 1: Gulf Breeze, Milton, Pace, Tate 

District 2: Crestview, Mosley, Navarre, Niceville

District 3: Chiles,Fleming Island, Leon, Oakleaf

District 4: Bartram Trail, Creekside, Flagler Palm Coast, Nease, Ponte Vedra

District 5: Buchholz, Gainesville, Ocala Forest, West Port

District 6: East Ridge, Lake Minneola, Ridge Community, South Lake

District 7: DeLand, New Smyrna Beach, Orange City University, Spruce Creek

District 8: Celebration, Haines City, Kissimmee Osceola, Poinciana, Tohopekaliga

District 9: Bartow, George Jenkins, Kathleen, Lake Gibson, Lakeland, Winter Haven

District 10: Land O'Lakes, Mitchell, Springstead, Sunlake, Wiregrass Ranch

District 11: Harmony, Melbourne, Palm Bay Heritage, St. Cloud,  Viera

District 12: Centennial, Fort Pierce Central, Martin County, Sebastian River, Treasure Coast, Vero Beach

District 13: Manatee, Palmetto, Sarasota, Sarasota Riverview, Venice

District 14: Charlotte, Ida Baker, Lakewood Ranch, North Port

District 15: East Lee County, Fort Myers, Lehigh, Riverdale, South Fort Myers

District 16: Gulf Coast, Immokalee, Palmetto Ridge

THIS IS NOT WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE...

[Joshua Wilson]

 

[Nulli Secundus]

3 minutes ago, Joshua Wilson said:

THIS IS NOT WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE...

Edited the post.

[DisabledAccount]

35 minutes ago, badbird said:

It's a bad idea we are stuck with because of a bunch of cry babies just like the Rural class.  Cry enough and you get what you want.  This is a bad plan and does nothing to adress the problems.

And what do you suggest they do? All I hear is "this plan sucks" 

 

If you have something better than share it

[Perspective]

21 minutes ago, Joshua Wilson said:

 

Josh,

Did the proposal/motion that was approved establish which counties/schools are metro and which are suburban?  Did it establish the population cut-off numbers for metro/suburban?  If not, who will make all these decisions? 

[muckboy561]

It passed

[Ray Icaza]

Don't you just love the "Fake Suburban Title" argument from those that favored the other plan.  The plan they admit would have a third top quality teams, a third average quality teams and a third poor quality teams.  Win two titles in the poor quality teams category and that is an accomplishment.  NO FAKE TITLE here.

[Floridaatlantic1]

The fake suburban title is great for your team. You and Venice can play each other every year for the title and avoid Apopka, DP and other Orlando/Miami teams. Just cant wait until we all see the vast variety of teams winning state championships now in both levels. It will be same teams in all 9 who win state every year and then lots of teams go independent. 

[Jesse]

1 hour ago, badbird said:

They stay 1A.  They cried to get away from the small private schools and they ended up with Madison and Pahokee.  They get what they deserve.

Best post you ever written 

[Ray Icaza]

28 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

The fake suburban title is great for your team. You and Venice can play each other every year for the title and avoid Apopka, DP and other Orlando/Miami teams. Just cant wait until we all see the vast variety of teams winning state championships now in both levels. It will be same teams in all 9 who win state every year and then lots of teams go independent. 

Hey, we are talking about dozens of teams with a winning heritage that have challenged for championships and even won some.  Pine Forest, Escambia, Pensacola Washington, Niceville, Wakulla, Columbia, St. Augustine, Manatee, Sarasota Riverview, Naples, Cocoa, Rockledge, Merritt Island, Lake Gibson, Mainland and many others.  Yes, it also includes Lakeland, Venice and Osceola.  We don't want to avoid Apopka, DP, Seminole, Columbus and other championship contenders as we regularly schedule them in the past and will do so in 2022.  You want to demean these teams with a winning culture dating back way before the transfer became an issue.   But instead have a consolation prize for whatever school you represent with no such track record.  Best to take your own advice and go independent.

[Nulli Secundus]

12 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Hey, we are talking about dozens of teams with a winning heritage that have challenged for championships and even won some.  Pine Forest, Escambia, Pensacola Washington, Niceville, Wakulla, Columbia, St. Augustine, Manatee, Sarasota Riverview, Naples, Cocoa, Rockledge, Merritt Island, Lake Gibson, Mainland and many others.  Yes, it also includes Lakeland, Venice and Osceola.  We don't want to avoid Apopka, DP, Seminole, Columbus and other championship contenders as we regularly schedule them in the past and will do so in 2022.  You want to demean these teams with a winning culture dating back way before the transfer became an issue.   But instead have a consolation prize for whatever school you represent with no such track record.  Best to take your own advice and go independent.

 

38 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

The fake suburban title is great for your team. You and Venice can play each other every year for the title and avoid Apopka, DP and other Orlando/Miami teams. Just cant wait until we all see the vast variety of teams winning state championships now in both levels. It will be same teams in all 9 who win state every year and then lots of teams go independent. 

[Floridaatlantic1]

putting teams in same division with 600-1000 students difference is equality. You mention all those great teams. It will be 2-3 teams who win the suburban title just like 2-3 who win all the title now. 

[Floridaatlantic1]

Your title will be seen as the B track title and everyone knows it.  The whole rationale of the suburban idea is to avoid good teams and separate from them. So that shows you your Suburban title is fake compared to real state champion teams in Metro.

 

[Floridaatlantic1]

I am fine with old idea of playing schools close to our size but 1000 more students is tough to overcome. I hope we do leave the FHSAA with a whole lot of other the other 1-2-3 A  metro schools.  

[Floridaatlantic1]

Predictions for state champs for next year and all the years after as long as they keep this dumb idea going.

Metro-  !a Chaminade                                                                             Suburb- 1 Madison

             2A- Central                                                                             1b- Victory Christian

             3a- Northwestern/STA/ Edgewater                                      2A - Cocoa

             4a- Apopka and Columbus                                                  3A- Mainland or Naples

                                                                                                             4a- Venice/Osceola/ Lakeland

Maybe we can make the state title trophies out of gold for Metro and Hayseed for the second class state group Suburb.

               

                                    

[Ray Icaza]

10 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

Your title will be seen as the B track title and everyone knows it.  The whole rationale of the suburban idea is to avoid good teams and separate from them. So that shows you your Suburban title is fake compared to real state champion teams in Metro.

 

None of the schools I highlighted will view it as a B track title.  That is only your view, but all these schools I highlighed will most definitely look at titles under the program you favor as a consolation prize, not a title.  You keep crying about the difference in school size and I would guess that Pahokee, Trenton, Madison and so many other 2A or 3A schools would regularly beat up on your 6A school which you are not willing to identify.  We have fought tooth and nail against STA in finals, losing but not making excuses.  You want a disparity?  I read several years ago that for 15 straight years every single OL from STA receive some type of a scholarship to college.  The games are won in the trenches and no school in Florida could have made a claim like that back when.  Today, more and more of these privates in big Metros are fielding teams that can match that and NO suburban school can acquire that level of talent at the line of scrimmage.  Keep believing your team can't compete against the top teams and you will full fill that prediction groveling in mediocrity.

[Perspective]

A couple of quick questions: 

1.  What was the primary argument advanced by the proponents of this plan?  Not "what do you think the real reason was" but what did the proponents say was the reason this was necessary?

2.  Does this apply to all sports or just football?  If only football, why doesn't the same rationale apply to other sports?

[Ray Icaza]

8 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

Predictions for state champs for next year and all the years after as long as they keep this dumb idea going.

Metro-  !a Chaminade                                                                             Suburb- 1 Madison

             2A- Central                                                                             1b- Victory Christian

             3a- Northwestern/STA/ Edgewater                                      2A - Cocoa

             4a- Apopka and Columbus                                                  3A- Mainland or Naples

                                                                                                             4a- Venice/Osceola/ Lakeland

Maybe we can make the state title trophies out of gold for Metro and Hayseed for the second class state group Suburb.

               

                                    

I reckon this gentleman just pissed off a bunch of the Seminole fans in my local area for the 4A title.   Who knows what the schools in Jax are thinking along with a few others in Miami as Columbus squeaked by Palmetto.  The other Metro's are probable but unlikely anyone challenging STA consistently.  I see all the Suburban having many more possibilities. 

[Floridaatlantic1]

If population was the big difference why were some counties who are in top 8 or 9 not in metro. Plan conveniently used population density. what the heck is even in Seminole county. Parks and bears is all I heard. They are not close to being metro. Why is polk not in  metro. Convenient I am sure or their state rep might blow up whole FHSAA. This is a group of school who are glad to be second rate fake state champs.. that the reason for the plan. To act like real state champs when they are almost good enough now. wont help average schools in either division. FAKE Championships- I wonder which games college scouts would prefer to see. The REAL state Champs of metro or the suburban chumps. 

[Floridaatlantic1]

I picked Apopka and Columbus over Seminole because APK beat seminole most years in playoffs

[Ray Icaza]

3 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

If population was the big difference why were some counties who are in top 8 or 9 not in metro. Plan conveniently used population density. what the heck is even in Seminole county. Parks and bears is all I heard. They are not close to being metro. Why is polk not in  metro. Convenient I am sure or their state rep might blow up whole FHSAA. This is a group of school who are glad to be second rate fake state champs.. that the reason for the plan. To act like real state champs when they are almost good enough now. wont help average schools in either division. FAKE Championships- I wonder which games college scouts would prefer to see. The REAL state Champs of metro or the suburban chumps. 

More blattering as somehow college scouts managed to find Derrick Henry in Yulee of all places.

[Ray Icaza]

3 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

I picked Apopka and Columbus over Seminole because APK beat seminole most years in playoffs

Not two years ago and only a 1 pt. victory in overtime this year.  It could have gone either way and I am sure Darter would agree. 

[Ray Icaza]

Perspective, who is your question addressed to?