One Class, One Title, One undisputed FHSAA champion

[Nulli Secundus]

Apologies in advance for the long post.  Since this is the season for unrealistic FHSAA expectations that will never come to frutition @nolebull813   @gatorman-uf (and everyone else that thinks outside the box, lol) here's my shot.  

A redesigned playoff format for the 24-25 season would be installed where the overall goal would be to truly make every game count to determine playoff teams.  For example, all schools would play 7-8 (some 6, some 9) district opponents to decide the overall district champs and a berth to participate in the Champion of Champions tournament.  Fear not.  For those that believe that not enough team makes the playoffs, the runner-ups can also play in a different playoff bracket so that each district receives two representatives for the playoffs.

FHSAA Champion of Champions Tournament - 64 teams (6 Rds)
The Champions bracket would consist of only the district champions representing the 64 districts.

FHSAA Runner Up Games (R.U.G.) - 64 teams (6 Rds)
The Runner-up bracket would consist of district runner-ups representing the 64 districts.  This bracket would allow teams that almost won their respective districts a chance to continue post season play for a chance at 3rd/4th place in the state.

Based on the numbers, the FHSAA could allow the top 5-7 teams from each district to enter the playoffs in different brackets based on their district rankings. 

• District Champs - Top playoff bracket, district winners only
• Runner up -  playoff bracket for 2nd place (runner-up) teams
• 3rd -  playoff bracket for 3rd place teams
  ----------------------------------------------------------
• 4th -  playoff bracket for 4th place teams........O_K
• 5th -  playoff bracket for 5th place teams........V_ I
• 6th -  playoff bracket for 6th place teams........E_ L
• 7th -  playoff bracket for 7th place teams........R_ L

However, beyond a certain level (top 3) I believe it's overkill and turns into a participation contest at that point.

Region 1
District 1
Tate (Cantonment)
Escambia (Pensacola)
Pine Forest (Pensacola)
Washington (Pensacola)
Pensacola
Pensacola Catholic
West Florida (Pensacola)
Northview (Century)

District 2
Gulf Breeze
Milton
Navarre
Pace
Niceville
Choctawhatchee (Fort Walton Beach)
Fort Walton Beach
Jay

District 3
Crestview
Walton (DeFuniak Springs)
South Walton (Santa Rosa Beach)
Rocky Bayou Christian (Niceville)
Baker
Freeport
Holmes County (Bonifay)
Vernon

District 4
Cottondale
Sneads
Marianna
Graceville
Chipley
Gadsden County (Havana)
Munroe (Quincy)
Blountstown

District 5
Mosley (Lynn Haven)
Arnold (Panama City Beach)
Bay (Panama City)
North Bay Haven (Panama City)
Rutherford (Panama City)
Bozeman (Panama City)
Port St. Joe
Wewahitchka

District 6
Wakulla (Crawfordville)
Franklin County (Eastpoint)
Liberty County (Bristol)
Rickards (Tallahassee)
Florida High (Tallahassee)
Maclay (Tallahassee)
FAMU (Tallahassee)
St. John Paul II (Tallahassee)

District 7
Chiles (Tallahassee)
Godby (Tallahassee)
North Florida Christian (Tallahassee)
Leon (Tallahassee)
Lincoln (Tallahassee)
Taylor County (Perry)
Aucilla Christian (Monticello)
Jefferson County (Monticello)

District 8
Hamilton County (Jasper)
Suwannee (Live Oak)
Madison County (Madison)
Bell
Branford
Lafayette (Mayo)
Dixie County (Cross City)
Trenton

District 9
Columbia (Lake City)
Fort White
Union County (Lake Butler)
Gainesville
Bradford (Starke)
Santa Fe (Alachua)
Hawthorne
Newberry

District 10
Buchholz (Gainesville)
Eastside (Gainesville)
P. K. Yonge (Gainesville)
Dunnellon
Trinity Catholic (Ocala)
Bronson
Chiefland
Williston

District 11
Forest (Ocala)
West Port (Ocala)
Vanguard (Ocala)
Palatka
North Marion (Citra)
Crescent City
Lake Weir (Ocala)

District 12
Fleming Island
Oakleaf (Orange Park)
Middleburg
Orange Park
Ridgeview (Orange Park)
Clay (Green Cove Springs)
Baker County (Glen St. Mary)
Keystone Heights

District 13
North Florida Educational (Jacksonville)
University Christian (Jacksonville)
Baldwin
Fernandina Beach
West Nassau (Callahan)
Yulee
Hilliard

District 14
Wolfson (Jacksonville)
Ed White (Jacksonville)
Riverside (Jacksonville)
Westside (Jacksonville)
Christs Church Academy (Jacksonville)
Providence (Jacksonville)
Trinity Christian (Jacksonville)

District 15
Terry Parker (Jacksonville)
Andrew Jackson (Jacksonville)
Raines (Jacksonville)
Ribault (Jacksonville)
Bishop Kenny (Jacksonville)
Bolles (Jacksonville)
Episcopal (Jacksonville)

District 16
Atlantic Coast (Jacksonville)
Mandarin (Jacksonville)
Sandalwood (Jacksonville)
Englewood (Jacksonville)
First Coast (Jacksonville)
Fletcher (Neptune Beach)

Region 2
District 17
Bartram Trail (St. Johns)
Creekside (St. Johns)
Nease (Ponte Vedra)
Ponte Vedra
Menendez (St. Augustine)
St. Augustine
Tocoi Creek (St. Augustine)
St. Joseph (St. Augustine)

District 18
Flagler Palm Coast
DeLand
New Smyrna Beach
Spruce Creek (Port Orange)
University (Orange City)
Matanzas (Palm Coast)
Atlantic (Port Orange)
Taylor (Pierson)

District 19
Lake Mary
Seminole (Sanford)
Deltona
Mainland (Daytona Beach)
Pine Ridge (Deltona)
Seabreeze (Daytona Beach)
Father Lopez (Daytona Beach)
Halifax Academy (Daytona Beach)

District 20
East Ridge (Clermont)
Lake Minneola
South Lake (Groveland)
Leesburg
Tavares
Eustis
Mount Dora
Umatilla

District 21
Apopka
Evans (Orlando)
Lake Brantley
Hagerty (Oviedo)
Lyman (Longwood)
Oviedo
Winter Springs
Wekiva (Apopka)

District 22
Ocoee
West Orange (Winter Garden)
Horizon (Winter Garden)
Jones (Orlando)
Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)
Orangewood Christian (Maitland)
Trinity Preparatory (Winter Park)

District 23
Colonial (Orlando)
Timber Creek (Orlando)
University (Orlando)
Winter Park
Boone (Orlando)
Cypress Creek (Orlando)
Freedom (Orlando)

District 24
Lake Nona (Orlando)
Oak Ridge (Orlando)
Dr. Phillips (Orlando)
Olympia (Orlando)
Windermere
East River (Orlando)
Lake Howell (Winter Park)

District 25
Edgewater (Orlando)
Bishop Moore (Orlando)
Lake Buena Vista (Orlando)
First Academy (Orlando)
Orlando Christian Prep

District 26
George Jenkins (Lakeland)
Kathleen (Lakeland)
Bartow
Fort Meade
Mulberry
Tenoroc (Lakeland)
Lakeland Christian
Victory Christian (Lakeland)

District 27
Lake Gibson (Lakeland)
Lakeland
Haines City
Winter Haven
Auburndale
Lake Region (Eagle Lake)
Discovery (Lake Alfred)

District 28
Ridge Community (Davenport)
Celebration
Tohopekaliga (Kissimmee)
Davenport
Gateway (Kissimmee)
Lake Wales
Frostproof

District 29
Osceola (Kissimmee)
St. Cloud
Harmony
Liberty (Kissimmee)
Astronaut (Titusville)
Holy Trinity (Melbourne)
Melbourne Central Catholic

District 30
Heritage (Palm Bay)
Melbourne
Viera (Melbourne)
Bayside (Palm Bay)
Eau Gallie (Melbourne)
Merritt Island
Okeechobee
Cocoa

District 31
Centennial (Port St. Lucie)
Fort Pierce Central
Vero Beach
Rockledge
Satellite (Satellite Beach)
Palm Bay (Melbourne)
Space Coast (Cocoa)
Titusville

District 32
Martin County (Stuart)
Treasure Coast (Port St. Lucie)
Belleview High
Fort Pierce Westwood
Jensen Beach
Port St. Lucie
South Fork (Stuart)
John Carroll (Fort Pierce)

Region 3
District 33
Springstead (Spring Hill)
South Sumter (Bushnell)
Villages
Weeki Wachee
Wildwood
Citrus (Inverness)
Lecanto
Crystal River

District 34
Hernando (Brooksville)
Central (Brooksville)
Nature Coast (Brooksville)
Land O Lakes
Wiregrass Ranch (Wesley Chapel)
Fivay (Hudson)
Bishop McLaughlin (Spring Hill)
Hudson

District 35
Sunlake (Land O'Lakes)
Gulf (New Port Richey)
River Ridge (New Port Richey)
Cypress Creek (Wesley Chapel)
Pasco (Dade City)
Wesley Chapel
Zephyrhills
Zephyrhills Christian

District 36
Anclote (Holiday)
East Lake (Tarpon Springs)
Palm Harbor University
Calvary Christian (Clearwater)
Indian Rocks Christian (Largo)
Mitchell (New Port Richey)
George Steinbrenner (Lutz)
Sickles (Tampa)

District 37
Clearwater
Dunedin
Countryside (Clearwater)
Largo
Osceola (Seminole)
Seminole (Seminole)
Pinellas Park (Largo)
Clearwater Central Catholic

District 38
Hollins (St. Petersburg)
Northeast (St. Petersburg)
St. Petersburg
Boca Ciega (Gulfport)
Gibbs (St. Petersburg)
Lakewood (St. Petersburg)
Northside Christian (St. Petersburg)
St. Petersburg Catholic

District 39
Alonso (Tampa)
Plant (Tampa)
Plant City
Strawberry Crest (Dover)
Durant (Plant City)
Newsome (Lithia)
Riverview (Riverview)
Sumner (Riverview)

District 40
Armwood (Seffner)
Freedom (Tampa)
Tampa Bay Tech
Wharton (Tampa)
Gaither (Tampa)
Hillsborough (Tampa)
Jesuit (Tampa)
Leto (Tampa)

District 41
Bloomingdale (Valrico)
East Bay (Gibsonton)
Lennard (Ruskin)
Spoto (Riverview)
Brandon
Chamberlain (Tampa)
King (Tampa)
Middleton (Tampa)

District 42
Blake (Tampa)
Jefferson (Tampa)
Robinson (Tampa)
Tampa Catholic
Berkeley Prep (Tampa)
Cambridge (Tampa)
Carrollwood (Tampa)
Seffner Christian

District 43
Lakewood Ranch (Bradenton)
Manatee (Bradenton)
Palmetto
Braden River (Bradenton)
Parrish
Southeast (Bradenton)
Hardee (Wauchula)
Bayshore (Bradenton)

District 44
Riverview (Sarasota)
Sarasota
Venice
Charlotte (Punta Gorda)
Port Charlotte
Booker (Sarasota)
DeSoto County (Arcadia)
Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota)

District 45
Immokalee
Sebring
Avon Park
Clewiston
Lake Placid
Lemon Bay (Englewood)
Moore Haven

District 46
Ida Baker (Cape Coral)
Riverdale (Fort Myers)
Cape Coral
Island Coast (Cape Coral)
Mariner (Cape Coral)
North Fort Myers

District 47
Cypress Lake (Fort Myers)
Dunbar (Fort Myers)
Fort Myers
Bishop Verot (Fort Myers)
Gateway (Fort Myers)
Evangelical Christian (Fort Myers)

District 48
Lehigh (Lehigh Acres)
East Lee County (Lehigh Acres)
South Fort Myers
Bonita Springs
Estero
Southwest Florida Christian (Fort Myers)

Region 4
District 49
Gulf Coast (Naples)
Palmetto Ridge (Naples)
Barron Collier (Naples)
Golden Gate (Naples)
Lely (Naples)
Naples
Community School (Naples)
First Baptist (Naples)
St. John Neumann (Naples)

District 50
Royal Palm Beach
Palm Beach Central (Wellington)
Wellington
Seminole Ridge (Westlake)
Glades Central (Belle Glade)
Kings Academy (West Palm Beach)
Glades Day (Belle Glade)
Pahokee

District 51
Jupiter
Palm Beach Gardens
Palm Beach Lakes (West Palm Beach)
Dwyer (Palm Beach Gardens)
Inlet Grove (Riviera Beach)
Suncoast (Riviera Beach)
Benjamin (Palm Beach Gardens)
Cardinal Newman (West Palm Beach)

District 52
Forest Hill (West Palm Beach)
John I. Leonard (Greenacres)
Lake Worth
Park Vista (Lake Worth)
Atlantic (Delray Beach)
American Heritage (Delray Beach)
Boynton Beach
Somerset Canyons (Boynton Beach)

District 53
Boca Raton
Santaluces (Lantana)
Olympic Heights (Boca Raton)
West Boca Raton
St. Andrews (Boca Raton)
SLAM (West Palm Beach)
St. John Paul II (Boca Raton)

District 54
Coral Springs
Douglas (Parkland)
Monarch (Coconut Creek)
Coral Glades (Coral Springs)
Coconut Creek
Deerfield Beach
Coral Springs Charter
North Broward Prep (Coconut Creek)

District 55
Taravella (Coral Springs)
Blanche Ely (Pompano Beach)
Boyd Anderson (Lauderdale Lakes)
Piper (Sunrise)
Calvary Christian Academy (Fort Lauderdale)
Northeast (Oakland Park)
Pine Crest (Fort Lauderdale)
Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale)

District 56
Dillard (Fort Lauderdale)
Fort Lauderdale
St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)
Nova (Davie)
Plantation
South Plantation
Hollywood Hills
Stranahan (Fort Lauderdale)

District 57
Western (Davie)
Flanagan (Pembroke Pines)
American Heritage (Plantation)
Cypress Bay (Weston)
Cooper City
South Broward (Hollywood)
Avant Garde (Hollywood)
Pembroke Pines Charter

District 58
Somerset Academy (Pembroke Pines)
West Broward (Pembroke Pines)
McArthur (Hollywood)
Everglades (Miramar)
Miramar
Hallandale
Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood)
Somerset Academy Key (Deerfield Beach)

District 59
Dr. Krop (Miami)
American (Hialeah)
Miami Carol City
Miami Norland
Monsignor Pace (Miami)
North Miami Beach
Dade Christian (Miami)
True North (Miami)

District 60
Goleman (Miami)
Hialeah
Mater Academy (Hialeah Gardens)
North Miami
Miami Central
Miami Edison
Miami Jackson
Miami Northwestern

District 61
Doral Academy
Miami
Miami Beach
Miami Springs
Washington (Miami)
Columbus (Miami)
Belen Jesuit (Miami)

District 62
Coral Gables
South Miami
Immaculata-LaSalle (Miami)
St. Brendan (Miami)
Westland Hialeah
Florida Christian (Miami)

District 63
South Dade (Homestead)
Miami Palmetto
Miami Killian
Westminster Christian (Miami)
Southwest Miami
Gulliver Prep (Pinecrest)
Archbishop Carroll (Miami)

District 64
Homestead
Miami Southridge
Somerset Charter (Silver Palms)
Palm Glades Prep (Miami)
Palmer Trinity (Miami)
Somerset Academy Charter South Homestead
Key West

[nolebull813]

I love the idea. Texas does something similar at their top classes but they determine it by enrollment after they finish in the district race. 
 

I believe they still do it. They take the top 4 teams in the district and send the 2 with the largest enrollments to the Division 1 bracket and the 2 smallest enrollments to the D2 one. 
 

So the idea is similar. And I think it’s a great idea. Some teams might intentionally lose the district so they can play in the bush leagues. Lol. 

[nolebull813]

With 6 playoff games you can drop the regular season to 9, or keep it the same. Texas plays 6 playoff games. 
 

The thing about the FHSAA is the are NEVER gonna make a move that decreases the gate money. That’s why we have 9 classes now. If they chopped it down to 5 as it should be, that gate money from 4 watered down playoff brackets gone. And that ain’t gonna happen. 

[gatorman-uf]

18 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

With 6 playoff games you can drop the regular season to 9, or keep it the same. Texas plays 6 playoff games. 
 

The thing about the FHSAA is the are NEVER gonna make a move that decreases the gate money. That’s why we have 9 classes now. If they chopped it down to 5 as it should be, that gate money from 4 watered down playoff brackets gone. And that ain’t gonna happen. 

 

I would rather see something like this in the individual sports first (golf, weightlifting, track, tennis, wrestling) and then to other team sports and then football. 

 

As for FHSAA $$$ concerns, the FHSAA budget was 6.6 million. I am surprised that the 3 NFL teams, the 2 NBA teams, 2 MLB teams, and 2 MLS teams don't get together and say, we got this for you as you provide our future fans and athletes. Or that state legislators don't fund it since they want to run it anyway.

[Nulli Secundus]

1 hour ago, gatorman-uf said:

 

I would rather see something like this in the individual sports first (golf, weightlifting, track, tennis, wrestling) and then to other team sports and then football. 

 

As for FHSAA $$$ concerns, the FHSAA budget was 6.6 million. I am surprised that the 3 NFL teams, the 2 NBA teams, 2 MLB teams, and 2 MLS teams don't get together and say, we got this for you as you provide our future fans and athletes. Or that state legislators don't fund it since they want to run it anyway.

That should've been done decades ago and factored into operational expenses as a write-off anyway outside of the typical grants.  Closed mouths don't get fed, lol.  Aren't the Rays trying to get a new stadium now?  Guess where that money is coming from, lol.  The standard cost of doing business in the state of Florida for ALL professional teams should be to supplement high school athletic initiatives in perpetuity. 

[181pl]

i like it. would never fly, but i like it. 

[Nulli Secundus]

52 minutes ago, 181pl said:

i like it. would never fly, but i like it. 

LOL, honestly, nothing I've seen from anyone on this board would fly.  One can only hope 

[Dr. D]

Any change would likely originate from the Football Advisory Committee, which holds its annual meeting on January 12.  I'm sure  they would welcome any creative/progressive/innovative suggestions from the general public.  

[Nulli Secundus]

6 minutes ago, Dr. D said:

Any change would likely originate from the Football Advisory Committee, which holds its annual meeting on January 12.  I'm sure  they would welcome any creative/progressive/innovative suggestions from the general public.  

Thank you.  Might need to send some recommendations, lol.

[Ray Icaza]

On 1/4/2023 at 5:52 PM, Nulli Secundus said:

Apologies in advance for the long post.  Since this is the season for unrealistic FHSAA expectations that will never come to frutition @nolebull813   @gatorman-uf (and everyone else that thinks outside the box, lol) here's my shot.  

A redesigned playoff format for the 24-25 season would be installed where the overall goal would be to truly make every game count to determine playoff teams.  For example, all schools would play 7-8 (some 6, some 9) district opponents to decide the overall district champs and a berth to participate in the Champion of Champions tournament.  Fear not.  For those that believe that not enough team makes the playoffs, the runner-ups can also play in a different playoff bracket so that each district receives two representatives for the playoffs.

FHSAA Champion of Champions Tournament - 64 teams (6 Rds)
The Champions bracket would consist of only the district champions representing the 64 districts.

FHSAA Runner Up Games (R.U.G.) - 64 teams (6 Rds)
The Runner-up bracket would consist of district runner-ups representing the 64 districts.  This bracket would allow teams that almost won their respective districts a chance to continue post season play for a chance at 3rd/4th place in the state.

Based on the numbers, the FHSAA could allow the top 5-7 teams from each district to enter the playoffs in different brackets based on their district rankings. 

• District Champs - Top playoff bracket, district winners only
• Runner up -  playoff bracket for 2nd place (runner-up) teams
• 3rd -  playoff bracket for 3rd place teams
  ----------------------------------------------------------
• 4th -  playoff bracket for 4th place teams........O_K
• 5th -  playoff bracket for 5th place teams........V_ I
• 6th -  playoff bracket for 6th place teams........E_ L
• 7th -  playoff bracket for 7th place teams........R_ L

However, beyond a certain level (top 3) I believe it's overkill and turns into a participation contest at that point.

Region 1
District 1
Tate (Cantonment)
Escambia (Pensacola)
Pine Forest (Pensacola)
Washington (Pensacola)
Pensacola
Pensacola Catholic
West Florida (Pensacola)
Northview (Century)

District 2
Gulf Breeze
Milton
Navarre
Pace
Niceville
Choctawhatchee (Fort Walton Beach)
Fort Walton Beach
Jay

District 3
Crestview
Walton (DeFuniak Springs)
South Walton (Santa Rosa Beach)
Rocky Bayou Christian (Niceville)
Baker
Freeport
Holmes County (Bonifay)
Vernon

District 4
Cottondale
Sneads
Marianna
Graceville
Chipley
Gadsden County (Havana)
Munroe (Quincy)
Blountstown

District 5
Mosley (Lynn Haven)
Arnold (Panama City Beach)
Bay (Panama City)
North Bay Haven (Panama City)
Rutherford (Panama City)
Bozeman (Panama City)
Port St. Joe
Wewahitchka

District 6
Wakulla (Crawfordville)
Franklin County (Eastpoint)
Liberty County (Bristol)
Rickards (Tallahassee)
Florida High (Tallahassee)
Maclay (Tallahassee)
FAMU (Tallahassee)
St. John Paul II (Tallahassee)

District 7
Chiles (Tallahassee)
Godby (Tallahassee)
North Florida Christian (Tallahassee)
Leon (Tallahassee)
Lincoln (Tallahassee)
Taylor County (Perry)
Aucilla Christian (Monticello)
Jefferson County (Monticello)

District 8
Hamilton County (Jasper)
Suwannee (Live Oak)
Madison County (Madison)
Bell
Branford
Lafayette (Mayo)
Dixie County (Cross City)
Trenton

District 9
Columbia (Lake City)
Fort White
Union County (Lake Butler)
Gainesville
Bradford (Starke)
Santa Fe (Alachua)
Hawthorne
Newberry

District 10
Buchholz (Gainesville)
Eastside (Gainesville)
P. K. Yonge (Gainesville)
Dunnellon
Trinity Catholic (Ocala)
Bronson
Chiefland
Williston

District 11
Forest (Ocala)
West Port (Ocala)
Vanguard (Ocala)
Palatka
North Marion (Citra)
Crescent City
Lake Weir (Ocala)

District 12
Fleming Island
Oakleaf (Orange Park)
Middleburg
Orange Park
Ridgeview (Orange Park)
Clay (Green Cove Springs)
Baker County (Glen St. Mary)
Keystone Heights

District 13
North Florida Educational (Jacksonville)
University Christian (Jacksonville)
Baldwin
Fernandina Beach
West Nassau (Callahan)
Yulee
Hilliard

District 14
Wolfson (Jacksonville)
Ed White (Jacksonville)
Riverside (Jacksonville)
Westside (Jacksonville)
Christs Church Academy (Jacksonville)
Providence (Jacksonville)
Trinity Christian (Jacksonville)

District 15
Terry Parker (Jacksonville)
Andrew Jackson (Jacksonville)
Raines (Jacksonville)
Ribault (Jacksonville)
Bishop Kenny (Jacksonville)
Bolles (Jacksonville)
Episcopal (Jacksonville)

District 16
Atlantic Coast (Jacksonville)
Mandarin (Jacksonville)
Sandalwood (Jacksonville)
Englewood (Jacksonville)
First Coast (Jacksonville)
Fletcher (Neptune Beach)

Region 2
District 17
Bartram Trail (St. Johns)
Creekside (St. Johns)
Nease (Ponte Vedra)
Ponte Vedra
Menendez (St. Augustine)
St. Augustine
Tocoi Creek (St. Augustine)
St. Joseph (St. Augustine)

District 18
Flagler Palm Coast
DeLand
New Smyrna Beach
Spruce Creek (Port Orange)
University (Orange City)
Matanzas (Palm Coast)
Atlantic (Port Orange)
Taylor (Pierson)

District 19
Lake Mary
Seminole (Sanford)
Deltona
Mainland (Daytona Beach)
Pine Ridge (Deltona)
Seabreeze (Daytona Beach)
Father Lopez (Daytona Beach)
Halifax Academy (Daytona Beach)

District 20
East Ridge (Clermont)
Lake Minneola
South Lake (Groveland)
Leesburg
Tavares
Eustis
Mount Dora
Umatilla

District 21
Apopka
Evans (Orlando)
Lake Brantley
Hagerty (Oviedo)
Lyman (Longwood)
Oviedo
Winter Springs
Wekiva (Apopka)

District 22
Ocoee
West Orange (Winter Garden)
Horizon (Winter Garden)
Jones (Orlando)
Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)
Orangewood Christian (Maitland)
Trinity Preparatory (Winter Park)

District 23
Colonial (Orlando)
Timber Creek (Orlando)
University (Orlando)
Winter Park
Boone (Orlando)
Cypress Creek (Orlando)
Freedom (Orlando)

District 24
Lake Nona (Orlando)
Oak Ridge (Orlando)
Dr. Phillips (Orlando)
Olympia (Orlando)
Windermere
East River (Orlando)
Lake Howell (Winter Park)

District 25
Edgewater (Orlando)
Bishop Moore (Orlando)
Lake Buena Vista (Orlando)
First Academy (Orlando)
Orlando Christian Prep

District 26
George Jenkins (Lakeland)
Kathleen (Lakeland)
Bartow
Fort Meade
Mulberry
Tenoroc (Lakeland)
Lakeland Christian
Victory Christian (Lakeland)

District 27
Lake Gibson (Lakeland)
Lakeland
Haines City
Winter Haven
Auburndale
Lake Region (Eagle Lake)
Discovery (Lake Alfred)

District 28
Ridge Community (Davenport)
Celebration
Tohopekaliga (Kissimmee)
Davenport
Gateway (Kissimmee)
Lake Wales
Frostproof

District 29
Osceola (Kissimmee)
St. Cloud
Harmony
Liberty (Kissimmee)
Astronaut (Titusville)
Holy Trinity (Melbourne)
Melbourne Central Catholic

District 30
Heritage (Palm Bay)
Melbourne
Viera (Melbourne)
Bayside (Palm Bay)
Eau Gallie (Melbourne)
Merritt Island
Okeechobee
Cocoa

District 31
Centennial (Port St. Lucie)
Fort Pierce Central
Vero Beach
Rockledge
Satellite (Satellite Beach)
Palm Bay (Melbourne)
Space Coast (Cocoa)
Titusville

District 32
Martin County (Stuart)
Treasure Coast (Port St. Lucie)
Belleview High
Fort Pierce Westwood
Jensen Beach
Port St. Lucie
South Fork (Stuart)
John Carroll (Fort Pierce)

Region 3
District 33
Springstead (Spring Hill)
South Sumter (Bushnell)
Villages
Weeki Wachee
Wildwood
Citrus (Inverness)
Lecanto
Crystal River

District 34
Hernando (Brooksville)
Central (Brooksville)
Nature Coast (Brooksville)
Land O Lakes
Wiregrass Ranch (Wesley Chapel)
Fivay (Hudson)
Bishop McLaughlin (Spring Hill)
Hudson

District 35
Sunlake (Land O'Lakes)
Gulf (New Port Richey)
River Ridge (New Port Richey)
Cypress Creek (Wesley Chapel)
Pasco (Dade City)
Wesley Chapel
Zephyrhills
Zephyrhills Christian

District 36
Anclote (Holiday)
East Lake (Tarpon Springs)
Palm Harbor University
Calvary Christian (Clearwater)
Indian Rocks Christian (Largo)
Mitchell (New Port Richey)
George Steinbrenner (Lutz)
Sickles (Tampa)

District 37
Clearwater
Dunedin
Countryside (Clearwater)
Largo
Osceola (Seminole)
Seminole (Seminole)
Pinellas Park (Largo)
Clearwater Central Catholic

District 38
Hollins (St. Petersburg)
Northeast (St. Petersburg)
St. Petersburg
Boca Ciega (Gulfport)
Gibbs (St. Petersburg)
Lakewood (St. Petersburg)
Northside Christian (St. Petersburg)
St. Petersburg Catholic

District 39
Alonso (Tampa)
Plant (Tampa)
Plant City
Strawberry Crest (Dover)
Durant (Plant City)
Newsome (Lithia)
Riverview (Riverview)
Sumner (Riverview)

District 40
Armwood (Seffner)
Freedom (Tampa)
Tampa Bay Tech
Wharton (Tampa)
Gaither (Tampa)
Hillsborough (Tampa)
Jesuit (Tampa)
Leto (Tampa)

District 41
Bloomingdale (Valrico)
East Bay (Gibsonton)
Lennard (Ruskin)
Spoto (Riverview)
Brandon
Chamberlain (Tampa)
King (Tampa)
Middleton (Tampa)

District 42
Blake (Tampa)
Jefferson (Tampa)
Robinson (Tampa)
Tampa Catholic
Berkeley Prep (Tampa)
Cambridge (Tampa)
Carrollwood (Tampa)
Seffner Christian

District 43
Lakewood Ranch (Bradenton)
Manatee (Bradenton)
Palmetto
Braden River (Bradenton)
Parrish
Southeast (Bradenton)
Hardee (Wauchula)
Bayshore (Bradenton)

District 44
Riverview (Sarasota)
Sarasota
Venice
Charlotte (Punta Gorda)
Port Charlotte
Booker (Sarasota)
DeSoto County (Arcadia)
Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota)

District 45
Immokalee
Sebring
Avon Park
Clewiston
Lake Placid
Lemon Bay (Englewood)
Moore Haven

District 46
Ida Baker (Cape Coral)
Riverdale (Fort Myers)
Cape Coral
Island Coast (Cape Coral)
Mariner (Cape Coral)
North Fort Myers

District 47
Cypress Lake (Fort Myers)
Dunbar (Fort Myers)
Fort Myers
Bishop Verot (Fort Myers)
Gateway (Fort Myers)
Evangelical Christian (Fort Myers)

District 48
Lehigh (Lehigh Acres)
East Lee County (Lehigh Acres)
South Fort Myers
Bonita Springs
Estero
Southwest Florida Christian (Fort Myers)

Region 4
District 49
Gulf Coast (Naples)
Palmetto Ridge (Naples)
Barron Collier (Naples)
Golden Gate (Naples)
Lely (Naples)
Naples
Community School (Naples)
First Baptist (Naples)
St. John Neumann (Naples)

District 50
Royal Palm Beach
Palm Beach Central (Wellington)
Wellington
Seminole Ridge (Westlake)
Glades Central (Belle Glade)
Kings Academy (West Palm Beach)
Glades Day (Belle Glade)
Pahokee

District 51
Jupiter
Palm Beach Gardens
Palm Beach Lakes (West Palm Beach)
Dwyer (Palm Beach Gardens)
Inlet Grove (Riviera Beach)
Suncoast (Riviera Beach)
Benjamin (Palm Beach Gardens)
Cardinal Newman (West Palm Beach)

District 52
Forest Hill (West Palm Beach)
John I. Leonard (Greenacres)
Lake Worth
Park Vista (Lake Worth)
Atlantic (Delray Beach)
American Heritage (Delray Beach)
Boynton Beach
Somerset Canyons (Boynton Beach)

District 53
Boca Raton
Santaluces (Lantana)
Olympic Heights (Boca Raton)
West Boca Raton
St. Andrews (Boca Raton)
SLAM (West Palm Beach)
St. John Paul II (Boca Raton)

District 54
Coral Springs
Douglas (Parkland)
Monarch (Coconut Creek)
Coral Glades (Coral Springs)
Coconut Creek
Deerfield Beach
Coral Springs Charter
North Broward Prep (Coconut Creek)

District 55
Taravella (Coral Springs)
Blanche Ely (Pompano Beach)
Boyd Anderson (Lauderdale Lakes)
Piper (Sunrise)
Calvary Christian Academy (Fort Lauderdale)
Northeast (Oakland Park)
Pine Crest (Fort Lauderdale)
Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale)

District 56
Dillard (Fort Lauderdale)
Fort Lauderdale
St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)
Nova (Davie)
Plantation
South Plantation
Hollywood Hills
Stranahan (Fort Lauderdale)

District 57
Western (Davie)
Flanagan (Pembroke Pines)
American Heritage (Plantation)
Cypress Bay (Weston)
Cooper City
South Broward (Hollywood)
Avant Garde (Hollywood)
Pembroke Pines Charter

District 58
Somerset Academy (Pembroke Pines)
West Broward (Pembroke Pines)
McArthur (Hollywood)
Everglades (Miramar)
Miramar
Hallandale
Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood)
Somerset Academy Key (Deerfield Beach)

District 59
Dr. Krop (Miami)
American (Hialeah)
Miami Carol City
Miami Norland
Monsignor Pace (Miami)
North Miami Beach
Dade Christian (Miami)
True North (Miami)

District 60
Goleman (Miami)
Hialeah
Mater Academy (Hialeah Gardens)
North Miami
Miami Central
Miami Edison
Miami Jackson
Miami Northwestern

District 61
Doral Academy
Miami
Miami Beach
Miami Springs
Washington (Miami)
Columbus (Miami)
Belen Jesuit (Miami)

District 62
Coral Gables
South Miami
Immaculata-LaSalle (Miami)
St. Brendan (Miami)
Westland Hialeah
Florida Christian (Miami)

District 63
South Dade (Homestead)
Miami Palmetto
Miami Killian
Westminster Christian (Miami)
Southwest Miami
Gulliver Prep (Pinecrest)
Archbishop Carroll (Miami)

District 64
Homestead
Miami Southridge
Somerset Charter (Silver Palms)
Palm Glades Prep (Miami)
Palmer Trinity (Miami)
Somerset Academy Charter South Homestead
Key West

I have been consistent in not being a fan of this idea with you clearly identifying the problem although I would take it a step further.  Outside only the top "2" tiers it would be just that "A PARTICIPATION CONTEST"!!   Call it that and I would be okay with not embellishing the achievement with a state title designation.   However I am a big proponent of KISS so let's keep it simple just have one state champion and cut to the chase. 

[Nulli Secundus]

11 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

I have been consistent in not being a fan of this idea with you clearly identifying the problem although I would take it a step further.  Outside only the top "2" tiers it would be just that "A PARTICIPATION CONTEST"!!   Call it that and I would be okay with not embellishing the achievement with a state title designation.   However I am a big proponent of KISS so let's keep it simple just have one state champion and cut to the chase. 

Thank you Mr. Icaza.  I agree.  However, I'm trying to make it more appealing to those that feel too many teams are left behind.  Shhhhhh.  Don't tell anyone 

[Ray Icaza]

5 minutes ago, Nulli Secundus said:

Thank you Mr. Icaza.  I agree.  However, I'm trying to make it more appealing to those that feel too many teams are left behind.  Shhhhhh.  Don't tell anyone 

Must not hurt anybody's feelings in the current climate. 

[Nulli Secundus]

1 minute ago, Ray Icaza said:

Must not hurt anybody's feelings in the current climate. 

Sooo many ways to respond to that statement but I will keep it PC (by 2023 standards).  Conflict resolution has drastically changed in my lifetime.

[Dr. D]

I know it's not what you had in mind, but how's this for a little outside-the-box thinking:  FHSAA Football: What we know about a potential Open Division (nwfdailynews.com)

[gatorman-uf]

1 hour ago, Dr. D said:

I know it's not what you had in mind, but how's this for a little outside-the-box thinking:  FHSAA Football: What we know about a potential Open Division (nwfdailynews.com)

I like the fact that they are acknowledging that school size isn't the only factor that goes into success. Still doesn't solve the problem on a week to week basis in terms of the lack of competitiveness. But this only works if we start eliminating classes, not adding more to it. 

Also I think it is funny that some of the proposals automatically assume that Rural Designation is part of suburban rather than its own designation outside of Suburban and Metro. 

[VeniceIndianFan]

53 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:

I like the fact that they are acknowledging that school size isn't the only factor that goes into success. Still doesn't solve the problem on a week to week basis in terms of the lack of competitiveness. But this only works if we start eliminating classes, not adding more to it. 

Also I think it is funny that some of the proposals automatically assume that Rural Designation is part of suburban rather than its own designation outside of Suburban and Metro. 

The 11 kids on the field are more important than the size of your school. Cutting the classes down to 5 is the real solution that the FHSAA will never acknowledge. 

[Nulli Secundus]

4 hours ago, Dr. D said:

I know it's not what you had in mind, but how's this for a little outside-the-box thinking:  FHSAA Football: What we know about a potential Open Division (nwfdailynews.com)

Hmmmm....

Outside-the-box thinking with Jack-in-the-box logic sprinkled in.

[Nulli Secundus]

3 hours ago, Dr. D said:

I know it's not what you had in mind, but how's this for a little outside-the-box thinking:  FHSAA Football: What we know about a potential Open Division (nwfdailynews.com)

I, screen handle "Nulli Secundus" officially goes on record to say any playoff format that ranks ANY team based on formulas pulled out of thin air is a farce.  Any ranking derived from a metric other than on-field results is bullshit.  Does anyone know the ingredients to the secret sauce used to rank teams?  Hell, RPI was better than this.  Until that is revealed, I'll keep laughing.

 

1 hour ago, gatorman-uf said:

I like the fact that they are acknowledging that school size isn't the only factor that goes into success. Still doesn't solve the problem on a week to week basis in terms of the lack of competitiveness. But this only works if we start eliminating classes, not adding more to it. 

Also I think it is funny that some of the proposals automatically assume that Rural Designation is part of suburban rather than its own designation outside of Suburban and Metro. 

I'll go ahead and say what needs to be said.  Some teams will never be competitive.  Take away the open transfers, go back to 5 classes and there will still be programs that are subpar.  NOTHING will change that.  The general public **cough cough FHSAA needs to face that fact.  If all things were equal (home grown talent, coaching, school & community support), the state could be full of 5-5 teams.  To your point, competitiveness during the playoffs could improve with less classes.  The regular season truly depends on the caliber of teams playing each other week in and week out AND how they are grouped (ie districts or whatever).  

 

41 minutes ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:

The 11 kids on the field are more important than the size of your school. Cutting the classes down to 5 is the real solution that the FHSAA will never acknowledge. 

AGREED!!

[Dr. D]

Any computer ranking has some arbitrary elements pulled out of thin air.  Good luck getting the formula for the FHSAA Power Rankings.  Maybe you have to know the secret handshake.  Folks applaud the RPI for being transparent, but there is no standard to back it up.  Of the states that use the RPI for selecting/seeding their playoff teams, various weights are applied to the team's record, opponents' record, and opponents' opponents' record:  40/40/20; 35/65/0; 30/40/30; 45/45/10; 37.5/37.5/25; 35/35/30.  Which one is more accurate? more statistically significant?  Florida changed the weighting after one year of use.  Which one was right?  Varying the weights applied to the three components of the RPI can produce a different ranking for the same set of teams.  So while the RPI may be more transparent, it is also arbitrary and inconsistent.  If you're saying on-the field results are the gold standard, and anything involving computer algorithms is a charade, I'm with you 100%.

[Nulli Secundus]

4 hours ago, Dr. D said:

Any computer ranking has some arbitrary elements pulled out of thin air.  Good luck getting the formula for the FHSAA Power Rankings.  Maybe you have to know the secret handshake.  Folks applaud the RPI for being transparent, but there is no standard to back it up.  Of the states that use the RPI for selecting/seeding their playoff teams, various weights are applied to the team's record, opponents' record, and opponents' opponents' record:  40/40/20; 35/65/0; 30/40/30; 45/45/10; 37.5/37.5/25; 35/35/30.  Which one is more accurate? more statistically significant?  Florida changed the weighting after one year of use.  Which one was right?  Varying the weights applied to the three components of the RPI can produce a different ranking for the same set of teams.  So while the RPI may be more transparent, it is also arbitrary and inconsistent.  If you're saying on-the field results are the gold standard, and anything involving computer algorithms is a charade, I'm with you 100%.

When you phrase it like that, I'm against all off-field multipliers.  Going back to that article and looking at the potential open divisions; both the original 8 team open division and the 2 open divisions containing 16 teams based on population, I have a few questions.  The first question is "What makes some of these teams worthy" and others not?  We've all heard and will continue to hear that there's no perfect system or solution.  However, it would be safe to say that the data sample used for this article to discuss an open division is skewed in favor of a rating system that overvalued some teams and devalued others.  As a coach, AD or board member, be afraid, very afraid because this would certainly cause an outcry.  In active in 2022, below are the teams that would've it and others that missed the boat: 

Open Division (8 Teams) ~38% teams lost to teams rated lower that DNQ

1. Miami Central (State Champ)
2. Edgewater (lost to Jones who didn't make this list, but would qualify based on population under a 2 division system)
3. St. Thomas Aquinas (State Champ)
4. Trinity Christian (lost to UC who didn't make this list, but would qualify based on population under a 2 division system)
5. Bartram Trail (lost to Buchholz who did not qualify for any list)
6. Chaminade-Madonna (State Champ)
7. Columbus (State Champ)
8. Plantation-American Heritage (Runner-up)

State champs missing: Lakeland, Lake Wales, Cocoa, First Baptist, Hawthorne
State runner-ups missing: Apopka, Homestead, Venice, Mainland, Florida High, Trinity Catholic, CCC, Northview

Open Division (16 Teams)

Population 1500 & up  50% lost to teams ranked lower that DNQ

1. Edgewater (lost to Jones who qualified for this list)
2. St. Thomas Aquinas (State Champ)
3. Bartram Trail (lost to Buchholz who did not qualify for any list)
4. Columbus (State Champ)
5. Plantation-American Heritage (Runner-up)
6. Lakeland (State Champ)
7. Pine Forest (lost to Choctawhatchee who did not qualify for any list)
8. Jones (lost to eventual state champ Homestead)

State champs missing: Homestead, Lake Wales
State runner-ups missing: Apopka, Venice, Mainland

Population under 1500  50% lost to teams ranked lower that DNQ

1. Miami Central (State Champ)
2. Trinity Christian (lost to UC who qualified for this list)
3. Chaminade-Madonna (State Champ)
4. University Christian (lost to CCC who qualified for this list)
5. Clearwater Central Catholic (Runner-up)
6. Cardinal Gibbons (lost to AH who qualified for both lists)
7. Florida High (Runner-up to state champion Cocoa who did not qualify for any lists)
8. Miami-Booker T. Washington (lost to Miami Norland who did not qualify for any lists)

State champs missing: Cocoa, First Baptist, Hawthorne
State runner-ups missing:  Trinity Catholic, Northview

Which brings me to question 2:

Based on what I posted above, is anyone okay with the percentage of how many teams were highly rated only to bite the dust?  Hind sight is 20/20 so right now, we all have the luxury to speculate on how to best approach potential change.  Imagine a system that potentially leaves more than a few championship-caliber teams out based on their "rating".  This is it right here!  LOL

[Dr. D]

Whether you are identifying 8, 16, or 32 teams after the regular season to play in a proposed Open Division, the only realistic ways to do so are either using computer rankings or a committee (like California does).  As you have shown, any of the flawed computer rankings will omit some deserving teams to the benefit of less deserving teams.  Since the FHSAA seems married to its Power Rankings, that would be the inevitable outcome.  A committee would likely face criticism for geographic bias, favoritism to "powerhouse" programs, etc.  I still prefer the California model of using a committee to identify the top two teams to play in a single Open Division championship game after the playoffs, although I could live with a "Final Four" like the college football playoffs.  Another question is why the FHSAA is suddenly interested in this concept.  Are they truly interested in identifying the "best of the best"?  As the author of the original article said, "An Open Division, especially one filled with premier programs and top recruits, also could help the FHSAA land a major TV contract".  There's your answer.

[Nulli Secundus]

48 minutes ago, Dr. D said:

Whether you are identifying 8, 16, or 32 teams after the regular season to play in a proposed Open Division, the only realistic ways to do so are either using computer rankings or a committee (like California does).  As you have shown, any of the flawed computer rankings will omit some deserving teams to the benefit of less deserving teams.  Since the FHSAA seems married to its Power Rankings, that would be the inevitable outcome.  A committee would likely face criticism for geographic bias, favoritism to "powerhouse" programs, etc.  I still prefer the California model of using a committee to identify the top two teams to play in a single Open Division championship game after the playoffs, although I could live with a "Final Four" like the college football playoffs.  Another question is why the FHSAA is suddenly interested in this concept.  Are they truly interested in identifying the "best of the best"?  As the author of the original article said, "An Open Division, especially one filled with premier programs and top recruits, also could help the FHSAA land a major TV contract".  There's your answer.

Money, of course.  If it was really about the "best of the best", that would've been done decades ago.  Florida talent is not a secret as the nation regularly stocks up.  

[h8r]

while the 11 kids on the field matter most, so does the school population,

when there are 11 more kids on the sideline that are of similar ability and 11 more that are close to that ability and 11 more and 11 more, now you have 50+ varsity kids that are of similar ability.  

if the school population of A isnt nearly as high B, then you have much less to choose from.  

4000 kids, half boys (2000), half are athletes (1000) and 10% play football, 100.  2 teams (JV, V),

50 kids in each.

2000 kids, half boys (1000), half are athletes (500) and 10% play football, 50. 2 teams (JV,V),

25 kids in each.

school population DOES matter.  

Well recruit your halls better is going to be someones answer.....

Football is hard, the commitment is even harder, its hot, its 10,11 month commitment, its all summer, its playing a 2nd sport to get better, etc.  

Every kid isnt a football player, go to any high school gym and watch a basketball game.  or boys volleyball game.  almost all of those kids could help school B out, 1000%.  but, If I can run up and down the court in AC, not lift nearly as much weight(messes up my jumper-says every high school BBall kid) and just take 22ft shots for a couple hours, why would he go out and do bag drills and cone drills and catch passes and put on equipment and hurt and sweat, etc.  

putting small schools with bigger schools is a complete disadvantage to many of them.  

take this district, ocoee, west orange and jones absolutely demolish everyone here.....

District 22
Ocoee
West Orange (Winter Garden)
Horizon (Winter Garden)
Jones (Orlando)
Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)
Orangewood Christian (Maitland)
Trinity Preparatory (Winter Park)

 

orangewood christian and trinity prep have zero business in this district.  foundation would put up a fight in some years, but they to have no business here.  horizon is still in infant stages of its opening. 

west orange has 3000 kids, ocoee too.  jones is close to 2k, with a plethora of talent in their area.

im not saying fair or not fair, thats ignorance.  but whats the point of ocoee playing trinity prep?  running clock in 1st qtr?  

 

I dont see the point of having the 7th place teams in a district playing extra weeks of football just for participation reasons.....thats exactly why the classes were introduced......

to play against similar size opponents, so 1 school doesnt have 100 on the sideline and the other has 25....

 

 

[Perspective]

1 hour ago, h8r said:

while the 11 kids on the field matter than the school population,

when there are 11 more kids on the sideline that are of similar ability and 11 more that are close to that ability and 11 more and 11 more, now you have 50+ varsity kids that are of similar ability.  

if the school population of A isnt nearly as high B, then you have much less to choose from.  

4000 kids, half boys (2000), half are athletes (1000) and 10% play football, 100.  2 teams (JV, V),

50 kids in each.

2000 kids, half boys (1000), half are athletes (500) and 10% play football, 50. 2 teams (JV,V),

25 kids in each.

school population DOES matter.  

Well recruit your halls better is going to be someones answer.....

Football is hard, the commitment is even harder, its hot, its 10,11 month commitment, its all summer, its playing a 2nd sport to get better, etc.  

Every kid isnt a football player, go to any high school gym and watch a basketball game.  or boys volleyball game.  almost all of those kids could help school B out, 1000%.  but, If I can run up and down the court in AC, not lift nearly as much weight(messes up my jumper-says every high school BBall kid) and just take 22ft shots for a couple hours, why would he go out and do bag drills and cone drills and catch passes and put on equipment and hurt and sweat, etc.  

putting small schools with bigger schools is a complete disadvantage to many of them.  

take this district, ocoee, west orange and jones absolutely demolish everyone here.....

District 22
Ocoee
West Orange (Winter Garden)
Horizon (Winter Garden)
Jones (Orlando)
Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)
Orangewood Christian (Maitland)
Trinity Preparatory (Winter Park)

 

orangewood christian and trinity prep have zero business in this district.  foundation would put up a fight in some years, but they to have no business here.  horizon is still in infant stages of its opening. 

west orange has 3000 kids, ocoee too.  jones is close to 2k, with a plethora of talent in their area.

im not saying fair or not fair, thats ignorance.  but whats the point of ocoee playing trinity prep?  running clock in 1st qtr?  

 

I dont see the point of having the 7th place teams in a district playing extra weeks of football just for participation reasons.....thats exactly why the classes were introduced......

to play against similar size opponents, so 1 school doesnt have 100 on the sideline and the other has 25....

 

 

In other words, it's like the billboards say:  Size matters.    

My wife told me the same thing . . . but she married me anyway.