I am so Glad we did Metro-suburban switch because it created so much parity

[Floridaatlantic1]

For all you clowns who said metro suburb plan would create parity, looks like same group of suburb teams who were awesome before and made semi finals regularly are the only ones who benefitted from the plan. But, you crushed many metro schools with a  huge enrollment number which led to more blowouts in district play. Nice. 

Put all cheaters in same couple of divisions with promotion and demotion is only real solution to  the recruiting problem. 

 

Here are the state match ups. Mandarin (Jacksonville) vs. Columbus (Miami) - Gee never saw Columbus in finals huh and mandarin won a couple of years ago.

Homestead vs. St. Thomas Aquinas - Rematch of last years state game

Class 2MBerkeley Prep (Tampa) vs. Miami Norland- Norland new but had many transfers to get  good.   

 1MClearwater Central Catholic vs.Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood) Florida- Chaminade should be in 4m.. 

Class 1RMadison County (Madison) vs. HawthorneDec.  Madison should be in 3 M

 4SLakeland vs. VeniceDec - surprise...never saw these two in state game before.  Lakeland State House Rep started this whole crap. 

.  3SMainland (Daytona Beach) vs. St. Augustine-  these teams were state semi-finalsts regularly before break up and both won state before. 

Class 2SBradford (Starke) vs. Cocoa - Cocoa is such a lock to win state here that even Fanduel would not post odds on it. 

 1STrinity Catholic (Ocala) vs. Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota) - Never saw Trinity before. 

[Dan in Daytona]

3 hours ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

For all you clowns who said metro suburb plan would create parity, looks like same group of suburb teams who were awesome before and made semi finals regularly are the only ones who benefitted from the plan. But, you crushed many metro schools with a  huge enrollment number which led to more blowouts in district play. Nice. 

Put all cheaters in same couple of divisions with promotion and demotion is only real solution to  the recruiting problem. 

 

Here are the state match ups. Mandarin (Jacksonville) vs. Columbus (Miami) - Gee never saw Columbus in finals huh and mandarin won a couple of years ago.

Homestead vs. St. Thomas Aquinas - Rematch of last years state game

Class 2MBerkeley Prep (Tampa) vs. Miami Norland- Norland new but had many transfers to get  good.   

 1MClearwater Central Catholic vs.Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood) Florida- Chaminade should be in 4m.. 

Class 1RMadison County (Madison) vs. HawthorneDec.  Madison should be in 3 M

 4SLakeland vs. VeniceDec - surprise...never saw these two in state game before.  Lakeland State House Rep started this whole crap. 

.  3SMainland (Daytona Beach) vs. St. Augustine-  these teams were state semi-finalsts regularly before break up and both won state before. 

Class 2SBradford (Starke) vs. Cocoa - Cocoa is such a lock to win state here that even Fanduel would not post odds on it. 

 1STrinity Catholic (Ocala) vs. Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota) - Never saw Trinity before. 

Playing for  "State"  championships are nice, but something rings hollow to me when the large urban area's of the state: Miami, Ft Lauderdale, Palm Beach, Orlando, Tampa, and Jacksonville are all legislated out of the way and they still call it a state championship. Calling it a Junior Championship would be more appropriate. But that's just my opinion, nothing more. 

[nolebull813]

Yeah these are area titles. Not state titles. You separate the teams by enrollment so they are in different classes. If you are in 3A you can’t win the 1A title. (Unless you are Madison County)  so by being separate you can only be considered champ of one class 

So if you separate the teams by area of the state then technically it’s not a state title. It an area title. The area being rural, metro or suburban. 

[Perspective]

So, I'm just wondering . . . if Venice beats Lakeland this year, does the legislature suddenly dictate that the FHSAA switch things around so that Sarasota County becomes a Metro county?  

[Dr. D]

7 hours ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

For all you clowns who said metro suburb plan would create parity, looks like same group of suburb teams who were awesome before and made semifinals regularly are the only ones who benefitted from the plan. But, you crushed many metro schools with a huge enrollment number which led to more blowouts in district play. Nice. Put all cheaters in same couple of divisions with promotion and demotion is only real solution to the recruiting problem. 

Here are the state match ups. Mandarin (Jacksonville) vs. Columbus (Miami) - Gee never saw Columbus in finals huh and mandarin won a couple of years ago.

Homestead vs. St. Thomas Aquinas - Rematch of last year's state game

Class 2MBerkeley Prep (Tampa) vs. Miami Norland- Norland new but had many transfers to get good.   

 1MClearwater Central Catholic vs. Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood) Florida- Chaminade should be in 4m. 

Class 1RMadison County (Madison) vs. Hawthorne.  MadisonDec should be in 3 M

 4SLakeland vs. VeniceDec - surprise...never saw these two in state game before.  Lakeland State House Rep started this whole crap. 

.  3SMainland (Daytona Beach) vs. St. Augustine- these teams were state semi-finalists regularly before break up and both won state before. 

Class 2SBradford (Starke) vs. Cocoa - Cocoa is such a lock to win state here that even FanDuel would not post odds on it. 

 1STrinity Catholic (Ocala) vs. Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota) - Never saw Trinity before. 

Just to be clear, the purpose of the 2022 Metro-Suburban reclassification was not to create "parity".  Parity is defined as equality, meaning the intent would be for the vast majority of teams to finish at .500.  The NFL strives for parity using a salary cap, draft in reverse order of best record, a more difficult schedule in the following year for teams with the best records, etc.  The intent of the 2022 reclassification was to achieve "equity", or fairness; also known as "like vs. like" and "a level playing field".  There is nothing in an equity model to prevent a team from winning a title multiple years in a row.  Whether the Metro-Suburban reclassification actually made things fairer for more teams is open to debate.  There are winners and losers in any reorganization, be it in business or high school football.  The fact that the FHSAA is considering returning to an enrollment-based classification system should provide hope for those who see the current system as flawed, given that some of the proposals floated here will never fly in the FHSSA world.   

[DarterBlue2]

1 hour ago, Perspective said:

So, I'm just wondering . . . if Venice beats Lakeland this year, does the legislature suddenly dictate that the FHSAA switch things around so that Sarasota County becomes a Metro county?  

Now wouldn't that be funny. Putting Venice in Metro would make it very difficult for Tampa and Orlando area teams to have  a shot at a state title in 4M. 

[Perspective]

45 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:

Now wouldn't that be funny. Putting Venice in Metro would make it very difficult for Tampa and Orlando area teams to have  a shot at a state title in 4M. 

But it might make it 'dread'fully easier for a team 45 minutes east of Tampa to make it. 

[DarterBlue2]

1 hour ago, Perspective said:

But it might make it 'dread'fully easier for a team 45 minutes east of Tampa to make it. 

That it would.

[nolebull813]

Venice petitioned to be in the metro Class but was denied. They didn’t want to be in the bush leagues. 

[DarterBlue2]

2 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

Venice petitioned to be in the metro Class but was denied. They didn’t want to be in the bush leagues. 

Actually, 4S is likely at least as strong as 4M. And a good argument can be made that it's stronger. 

[Floridaatlantic1]

I said from day 1 that the suburb division (which is crap anyway because the leaders cherry picked which counties they wanted to be in Metro and suburb with some bs population density ) was the minor league even though they have some major league programs like Lakeland and Venice. They sold us a bill of goods about parity for suburb schools but only helped a few awesome semi finalist become champs. Rest of metro schools got screwed. 

[nolebull813]

14 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:

Actually, 4S is likely at least as strong as 4M. And a good argument can be made that it's stronger. 

You would think so but the schedules are easier so the teams achieve better records. And if the strength is only based on just the top teams, then 1M would be considered great with Chaminade leading the charge. 

[nolebull813]

54 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

I said from day 1 that the suburb division (which is crap anyway because the leaders cherry picked which counties they wanted to be in Metro and suburb with some bs population density ) was the minor league even though they have some major league programs like Lakeland and Venice. They sold us a bill of goods about parity for suburb schools but only helped a few awesome semi finalist become champs. Rest of metro schools got screwed. 

But they added a class so everything is even more watered down than it already was. So this split was an excuse to add another class since more classes brings in more money from playoff and championship gates. 
 

The product will always be watered down and diluted until they merge the state into 5 classes. And for the people crying that it won’t be fair for certain teams just know there will ALWAYS be people crying! Chaminade won by 30 last year in the finals. They will win by 30 again this year. Is that fair? How do you fix that? The answer is you cant! The best teams deserve to be champs. You can’t fix the problem by watering it down to the point everyone get a trophy at the end. It’s disgusting 

[Dr. D]

Not to mention that if the Super-32 proposal goes through, there will then be 10(!) playoff brackets, and 10 "state" champions.  But skimming the top 3-5 teams out of each classification for the Super-32 will create opportunities for the good, but not elite, teams that remain in whatever classifications the FHSAA puts in place.   

[nolebull813]

1 hour ago, Dr. D said:

Not to mention that if the Super-32 proposal goes through, there will then be 10(!) playoff brackets, and 10 "state" champions.  But skimming the top 3-5 teams out of each classification for the Super-32 will create opportunities for the good, but not elite, teams that remain in whatever classifications the FHSAA puts in place.   

That’ would be an ultimate travesty 

[Proseteye]

2 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

But they added a class so everything is even more watered down than it already was. So this split was an excuse to add another class since more classes brings in more money from playoff and championship gates. 
 

The product will always be watered down and diluted until they merge the state into 5 classes. And for the people crying that it won’t be fair for certain teams just know there will ALWAYS be people crying! Chaminade won by 30 last year in the finals. They will win by 30 again this year. Is that fair? How do you fix that? The answer is you cant! The best teams deserve to be champs. You can’t fix the problem by watering it down to the point everyone get a trophy at the end. It’s disgusting 

How do you fix it? You stop high school teams from recruiting. Most of the top football teams have a high rate of transfers in. IMG at least admits that they are a school that recruits the best for all sports. As a result of that they are not eligible for the playoffs and are not really considered a standard high school. With recruiting any HS team can become an artificial powerhouse without ever having much more than a few token players from the district that they are in. HS sports have been turned into mini NFL teams with families that come out to see their son do not much more than bench time or they don't come out at all because he has not even joined the team. Sad state of affairs where it's become more important to pad the egos of a few narcissistic teenagers and their coaches than to build character in all players that have  joined the team or the one's that could have joined the team. 

[Nulli Secundus]

21 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:

Now wouldn't that be funny. Putting Venice in Metro would make it very difficult for Tampa and Orlando area teams to have  a shot at a state title in 4M. 

LOL, because Tampa and Orlando's records were that much stellar before.

[Nulli Secundus]

19 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

Venice petitioned to be in the metro Class but was denied. They didn’t want to be in the bush leagues. 

LOL, the bush leagues that the Indians have yet to win.  Maybe they take it this year.

[Nulli Secundus]

3 hours ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:

I said from day 1 that the suburb division (which is crap anyway because the leaders cherry picked which counties they wanted to be in Metro and suburb with some bs population density ) was the minor league even though they have some major league programs like Lakeland and Venice. They sold us a bill of goods about parity for suburb schools but only helped a few awesome semi finalist become champs. Rest of metro schools got screwed. 

You need a hug.

[nolebull813]

1 hour ago, Proseteye said:

How do you fix it? You stop high school teams from recruiting. Most of the top football teams have a high rate of transfers in. IMG at least admits that they are a school that recruits the best for all sports. As a result of that they are not eligible for the playoffs and are not really considered a standard high school. With recruiting any HS team can become an artificial powerhouse without ever having much more than a few token players from the district that they are in. HS sports have been turned into mini NFL teams with families that come out to see their son do not much more than bench time or they don't come out at all because he has not even joined the team. Sad state of affairs where it's become more important to pad the egos of a few narcissistic teenagers and their coaches than to build character in all players that have  joined the team or the one's that could have joined the team. 

Cut the classes down to 5, and then maybe have a rule that says if you have a certain amount of football transfers in one year (pick a number 5,8,10 etc) then you have to compete in an open division bracket for the playoffs

[KeemD321]

1 hour ago, Proseteye said:

How do you fix it? You stop high school teams from recruiting. Most of the top football teams have a high rate of transfers in. IMG at least admits that they are a school that recruits the best for all sports. As a result of that they are not eligible for the playoffs and are not really considered a standard high school. With recruiting any HS team can become an artificial powerhouse without ever having much more than a few token players from the district that they are in. HS sports have been turned into mini NFL teams with families that come out to see their son do not much more than bench time or they don't come out at all because he has not even joined the team. Sad state of affairs where it's become more important to pad the egos of a few narcissistic teenagers and their coaches than to build character in all players that have  joined the team or the one's that could have joined the team. 

Technically IMG is eligible for the playoffs now

[DarterBlue2]

5 hours ago, Nulli Secundus said:

LOL, because Tampa and Orlando's records were that much stellar before.

Metro Orlando has a good record of putting teams in the finals. Unfortunately, we don't have that many titles to show for our efforts mostly due to South Florida. 

[Vero Indian]

On 12/4/2023 at 11:22 AM, Dan in Daytona said:

Playing for  "State"  championships are nice, but something rings hollow to me when the large urban area's of the state: Miami, Ft Lauderdale, Palm Beach, Orlando, Tampa, and Jacksonville are all legislated out of the way and they still call it a state championship. Calling it a Junior Championship would be more appropriate. But that's just my opinion, nothing more. 

I believe STA would running clock all the suburban teams that are in the finals this weekend, he'll I think they would even beat Chaminade too

[Vero Indian]

19 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:

Metro Orlando has a good record of putting teams in the finals. Unfortunately, we don't have that many titles to show for our efforts mostly due to South Florida. 

I feel Orlando has surpassed Palm Beach now......

[Proseteye]

10 minutes ago, Vero Indian said:

I believe STA would running clock all the suburban teams that are in the finals this weekend, he'll I think they would even beat Chaminade too

I wonder why STA never plays IMG? The two best teams in Florida should play at least once every couple of years. Other Florida teams manage to play the national IMG team with a few that play the various other color IMG teams. Miami Central doesn't seem to have any problem with playing the national team every year.