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A bit confused here. Are district champions given 1-4 seeds or just an at large bid according to their ranking?

Are the State semifinals still seeded 1-4 according to their rankings? 
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1 hour ago, Jullian said:

A bit confused here. Are district champions given 1-4 seeds or just an at large bid according to their ranking?

Are the State semifinals still seeded 1-4 according to their rankings? 
thanks

Per the FHSAA Football Sports Manual:

4.7.2.2.1 Regional Tournaments
1A-7A
(a) Playoff field will be made up of 32 teams in each class.
(b) 8 Qualifiers in each region. 4 District champions and 4 at large qualifiers. Teams will be seeded 1-8 based on the final FHSAA MaxPreps Rankings.
(c) Higher seed will always host in regional tournament except during the regional quarterfinal round where a district champion is facing an at-large team, the district champion is designated as the host regardless of seeding. Determination of a host school using these criteria is not absolute. In all cases, the FHSAA Office reserves the right to select an alternate site.

 

So, to answer your question, it looks like the 8 teams in each Region get seeded based on MaxPreps ranking.  Higher seed hosts unless an at-large team (i.e., a non-district champ) is playing a district champ in the opening round.  In that case, even if the at-large team is seeded higher, they travel and the lower-seeded district champ hosts.  After the first round, higher seed hosts regardless.  

Here (among other places) is where a team can get screwed:  Say the top two seeds are both district champs, but the 3 seed is an at-large team.  Then assume seeds 4 and 5 are the other two district champs.  1 plays 8 (with 1 hosting), 2 plays 7 (with 2 hosting), 3 plays 6 (with 3 hosting, because this is a game between two at-large teams and 3 is the higher seed) and 4 plays 5 in a battle of district champs.  But despite winning their district, 5 has to travel because, according to some formula that no one knows or understands, 4 is ranked slightly higher than 5. 

I strongly believe that district champs should get the top four seeds and at large teams should get the next four spots.  Will that result in games between district champs and "better" at-large teams?  Absolutely.   But, in my opinion, home field advantage should be awarded to teams that win their district until they play another higher-ranked district champ. 

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1 hour ago, Perspective said:

Per the FHSAA Football Sports Manual:

 
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4.7.2.2.1 Regional Tournaments
1A-7A
(a) Playoff field will be made up of 32 teams in each class.
(b) 8 Qualifiers in each region. 4 District champions and 4 at large qualifiers. Teams will be seeded 1-8 based on the final FHSAA MaxPreps Rankings.
(c) Higher seed will always host in regional tournament except during the regional quarterfinal round where a district champion is facing an at-large team, the district champion is designated as the host regardless of seeding. Determination of a host school using these criteria is not absolute. In all cases, the FHSAA Office reserves the right to select an alternate site.

 

 

So, to answer your question, it looks like the 8 teams in each Region get seeded based on MaxPreps ranking.  Higher seed hosts unless an at-large team (i.e., a non-district champ) is playing a district champ in the opening round.  In that case, even if the at-large team is seeded higher, they travel and the lower-seeded district champ hosts.  After the first round, higher seed hosts regardless.  

Here (among other places) is where a team can get screwed:  Say the top two seeds are both district champs, but the 3 seed is an at-large team.  Then assume seeds 4 and 5 are the other two district champs.  1 plays 8 (with 1 hosting), 2 plays 7 (with 2 hosting), 3 plays 6 (with 3 hosting, because this is a game between two at-large teams and 3 is the higher seed) and 4 plays 5 in a battle of district champs.  But despite winning their district, 5 has to travel because, according to some formula that no one knows or understands, 4 is ranked slightly higher than 5. 

I strongly believe that district champs should get the top four seeds and at large teams should get the next four spots.  Will that result in games between district champs and "better" at-large teams?  Absolutely.   But, in my opinion, home field advantage should be awarded to teams that win their district until they play another higher-ranked district champ. 

Definitely agree that all 4 district champs should be guaranteed to host the first round of the playoffs as it is sometimes hard to reconcile the rankings (seeding for playoffs) and how they arrive at them.  Example in 6A where we reside, we dropped (-4) spots after our last win and looking at the data in the site for strictly 6A in MaxPreps they have Southridge as the 6th overall seed with an 8-2 record and 24.3 SOS.  Whereas they have us as the #10 overall seed in 6A with the identical 8-2 record but a stronger (25.2) SOS according to their logarithms.  Simply raises suspicions when there is no transparency which ultimately leads to conspiracy theories.  No one wants that.

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8 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Definitely agree that all 4 district champs should be guaranteed to host the first round of the playoffs as it is sometimes hard to reconcile the rankings (seeding for playoffs) and how they arrive at them.  Example in 6A where we reside, we dropped (-4) spots after our last win and looking at the data in the site for strictly 6A in MaxPreps they have Southridge as the 6th overall seed with an 8-2 record and 24.3 SOS.  Whereas they have us as the #10 overall seed in 6A with the identical 8-2 record but a stronger (25.2) SOS according to their logarithms.  Simply raises suspicions when there is no transparency which ultimately leads to conspiracy theories.  No one wants that.

That is the problem I have with the current system. Because there's no transparency, it leaves the door open for the FSHAA to favor one team over another in close situations without the mis-ranking being obvious. Even if you are a math genius, you can't know for sure if you have been hosed when the methodology is not revealed as there is no way to double check their math.  

KeemD321 College Starter

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15 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:

That is the problem I have with the current system. Because there's no transparency, it leaves the door open for the FSHAA to favor one team over another in close situations without the mis-ranking being obvious. Even if you are a math genius, you can't know for sure if you have been hosed when the methodology is not revealed as there is no way to double check their math.  

Check out brevard sports network. Apparently they somewhat figured it out along with the percentages they use for each category 

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Just now, KeemD321 said:

Check out brevard sports network. Apparently they somewhat figured it out along with the percentages they use for each category 

How do they conclude that they are right? Have they reperformed a statistically appropriate sample and obtained the same results as the FSHAA rankings? 

If they have, BSN should make their findings publicly available so that everyone can do the calculations themselves. 

DILLARDBOYZ954 College National Champion

DILLARDBOYZ954

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2 hours ago, Perspective said:

Per the FHSAA Football Sports Manual:

 

4.7.2.2.1 Regional Tournaments
1A-7A
(a) Playoff field will be made up of 32 teams in each class.
(b) 8 Qualifiers in each region. 4 District champions and 4 at large qualifiers. Teams will be seeded 1-8 based on the final FHSAA MaxPreps Rankings.
(c) Higher seed will always host in regional tournament except during the regional quarterfinal round where a district champion is facing an at-large team, the district champion is designated as the host regardless of seeding. Determination of a host school using these criteria is not absolute. In all cases, the FHSAA Office reserves the right to select an alternate site.

 

 

So, to answer your question, it looks like the 8 teams in each Region get seeded based on MaxPreps ranking.  Higher seed hosts unless an at-large team (i.e., a non-district champ) is playing a district champ in the opening round.  In that case, even if the at-large team is seeded higher, they travel and the lower-seeded district champ hosts.  After the first round, higher seed hosts regardless.  

Here (among other places) is where a team can get screwed:  Say the top two seeds are both district champs, but the 3 seed is an at-large team.  Then assume seeds 4 and 5 are the other two district champs.  1 plays 8 (with 1 hosting), 2 plays 7 (with 2 hosting), 3 plays 6 (with 3 hosting, because this is a game between two at-large teams and 3 is the higher seed) and 4 plays 5 in a battle of district champs.  But despite winning their district, 5 has to travel because, according to some formula that no one knows or understands, 4 is ranked slightly higher than 5. 

I strongly believe that district champs should get the top four seeds and at large teams should get the next four spots.  Will that result in games between district champs and "better" at-large teams?  Absolutely.   But, in my opinion, home field advantage should be awarded to teams that win their district until they play another higher-ranked district champ. 

Is there anyway anyone can do a 1-7a playoff projection breakdown as of this past weekend?

Perspective College Starter

Perspective

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3 minutes ago, DILLARDBOYZ954 said:

Is there anyway anyone can do a 1-7a playoff projection breakdown as of this past weekend?

Unless someone has correctly figured out the formula,I don't think anyone can create an accurate projection until the new rankings come out this week. 

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6 hours ago, Perspective said:

Per the FHSAA Football Sports Manual:

 

4.7.2.2.1 Regional Tournaments
1A-7A
(a) Playoff field will be made up of 32 teams in each class.
(b) 8 Qualifiers in each region. 4 District champions and 4 at large qualifiers. Teams will be seeded 1-8 based on the final FHSAA MaxPreps Rankings.
(c) Higher seed will always host in regional tournament except during the regional quarterfinal round where a district champion is facing an at-large team, the district champion is designated as the host regardless of seeding. Determination of a host school using these criteria is not absolute. In all cases, the FHSAA Office reserves the right to select an alternate site.

 

 

So, to answer your question, it looks like the 8 teams in each Region get seeded based on MaxPreps ranking.  Higher seed hosts unless an at-large team (i.e., a non-district champ) is playing a district champ in the opening round.  In that case, even if the at-large team is seeded higher, they travel and the lower-seeded district champ hosts.  After the first round, higher seed hosts regardless.  

Here (among other places) is where a team can get screwed:  Say the top two seeds are both district champs, but the 3 seed is an at-large team.  Then assume seeds 4 and 5 are the other two district champs.  1 plays 8 (with 1 hosting), 2 plays 7 (with 2 hosting), 3 plays 6 (with 3 hosting, because this is a game between two at-large teams and 3 is the higher seed) and 4 plays 5 in a battle of district champs.  But despite winning their district, 5 has to travel because, according to some formula that no one knows or understands, 4 is ranked slightly higher than 5. 

I strongly believe that district champs should get the top four seeds and at large teams should get the next four spots.  Will that result in games between district champs and "better" at-large teams?  Absolutely.   But, in my opinion, home field advantage should be awarded to teams that win their district until they play another higher-ranked district champ. 

If the current rankings stay the same, this scenario will play out when #4 Vero Beach will host #5 Lake Nona despite both being district champions. 

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9 hours ago, Jullian said:

A bit confused here. Are district champions given 1-4 seeds or just an at large bid according to their ranking?

Are the State semifinals still seeded 1-4 according to their rankings? 
thanks

Durant is a district champion gotta wait till Sunday till we find out our seeding for round one my guess is we'll be the 3 seed and play south lake but who knows till sunday

Perspective College Starter

Perspective

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16 hours ago, Dr. D said:

Yes, and I would expect them out this Tuesday.  This week's games must be played by Thursday,  and the FHSAA will release the playoff brackets on Saturday, the 9th. 

So, basically, all the "Friday night games" will be played on Thursday night this week, right?

And will the playoffs start Friday, 11/15?

DILLARDBOYZ954 College National Champion

DILLARDBOYZ954

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5 minutes ago, Perspective said:

So, basically, all the "Friday night games" will be played on Thursday night this week, right?

And will the playoffs start Friday, 11/15?

That’s what it looks like because all the games have to be played before Friday. So they can do what they have to do to have the final seedings and first round playoff matchups out by Saturday. 

h8r Varsity Backup

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how do they release the saturday final rankings? is it a tv show or is it just 10am and here they are, 

some states make it a huge deal and teams have watch parties and make it a big deal to see if they got in.  

probably not here tho

 

DILLARDBOYZ954 College National Champion

DILLARDBOYZ954

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22 minutes ago, h8r said:

how do they release the saturday final rankings? is it a tv show or is it just 10am and here they are, 

some states make it a huge deal and teams have watch parties and make it a big deal to see if they got in.  

probably not here tho

 

Hell na not in Florida , they gone post it on their website & leave it up to you to go look individually lol

KeemD321 College Starter

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On 11/3/2024 at 2:27 PM, DarterBlue2 said:

How do they conclude that they are right? Have they reperformed a statistically appropriate sample and obtained the same results as the FSHAA rankings? 

If they have, BSN should make their findings publicly available so that everyone can do the calculations themselves. 

From what I've seen during their playoff prediction segments they've been pretty accurate and stated how they found their results. it's not 100% accurate since they said it is still off slightly but it seems pretty close

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1 hour ago, KeemD321 said:

From what I've seen during their playoff prediction segments they've been pretty accurate and stated how they found their results. it's not 100% accurate since they said it is still off slightly but it seems pretty close

The fact theirs is still off slightly may be indicative of the FHSAA having "errors or omissions" in their own calculations. 

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