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[Ray Icaza]

5 hours ago, skyway said:

And I'm sure you realize you could switch out Dreadnaughts with Kowboys, Lakeland with Osceola and Coach Castle with Coach Pinellas, and mean the same thing. 

Unfortunately, you are still suffering mental loss.  Your take was Lakeland vs Lake Gibson from the jump.  Coach Castle vs Coach Pringle.  Osceola has never been charged with a recruiting violation either, so you can't even replace Osceola for Lakeland in that respect either.  Finally, the player in question is AT LAKELAND not Osceola.  A bit late for deflecting. 

[skyway]

5 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:

Unfortunately, you are still suffering mental loss.  Your take was Lakeland vs Lake Gibson from the jump.  Coach Castle vs Coach Pringle.  Osceola has never been charged with a recruiting violation either, so you can't even replace Osceola for Lakeland in that respect either.  Finally, the player in question is AT LAKELAND not Osceola.  A bit late for deflecting. 

You're really worked up over this, aren't you?!

You're speaking to someone who's lived in California for the last 20 years. 

In fact, my claim has never been that. I was referring to...wait for it...a TWEET where the effort of Lake Gibson's players were acknowledged but so was the fact that the kid was going to Lakeland. My comment a little bit above was simply in reference to Gator saying the kids had spoken to both programs, while Perspective only seemed interested in the conversation with Lakeland, even though it was said he spoke to both. Anyone who's followed Perspective's comments over the years understands why he'd focus only one way, just as anyone seeing your avatar knows why you focus one way. My aim to is to speak with stark honesty about what's going on. But, just like with politics and matters of ideology, people only want to focus outrage in the direction of the other tribe; never their own.

[Ray Icaza]

39 minutes ago, skyway said:

You're really worked up over this, aren't you?!

You're speaking to someone who's lived in California for the last 20 years. 

In fact, my claim has never been that. I was referring to...wait for it...a TWEET where the effort of Lake Gibson's players were acknowledged but so was the fact that the kid was going to Lakeland. My comment a little bit above was simply in reference to Gator saying the kids had spoken to both programs, while Perspective only seemed interested in the conversation with Lakeland, even though it was said he spoke to both. Anyone who's followed Perspective's comments over the years understands why he'd focus only one way, just as anyone seeing your avatar knows why you focus one way. My aim to is to speak with stark honesty about what's going on. But, just like with politics and matters of ideology, people only want to focus outrage in the direction of the other tribe; never their own.

In the event you forgot, we are the Kowboys.  Not a member of a tribe.  20 years in California TOO.  HUHH??

[Perspective]

16 hours ago, skyway said:

And I'm sure you realize you could switch out Dreadnaughts with Kowboys, Lakeland with Osceola and Coach Castle with Coach Pinellas, and mean the same thing. 

Absolutely.   I could have done that.  But look back at my initial reply to Lakeland Gator, where I asked:  “Who, exactly, was the kid or his family talking to when visiting both campuses?” (emphasis added).  And, then again, at my reply to Ray:  “Thank you, Ray.  My question was to Lakeland Gator.  In his post, he stated:  "The choice was made after talking/visiting both campuses, so save the out recruited nonsense."   He sounded like he had some knowledge that the kid or his family had spoken to coaches at one or both of the schools . . . in fact, when I first read it, I was going to ask if the kid had taken "official visits" to both schools a la the way it’s done in college.” (emphasis added). 

By this time, Ray had essentially responded on behalf of Osceola (“Our HC has zero intention of talking to players on other teams . . ..”).   I was still hoping to get a response back from the person who started all of this: Lakeland Gator.  Now, I’m no Sherlock Holmes, and recognizing that LHS is not the only high school in the Lakeland area, I’ve been operating on the assumption that perhaps, just maybe, Lakeland Gators has some affiliation with Lakeland High School (alum, parent, booster, fan, etc.).   So, for that reason, I used Dreadnaughts/Lakeland/Castle in my hypothetical (well, that plus the fact that I would have had to look up the Kowboy head coach’s name).  Plus, as Ray has pointed out, and as I understand it, the kid ended up a Lakeland.  But, to your point, I could have chosen to use either school/coach or both.  I simply chose the one that seemed to be more relevant to the person I was asking the question of . . . the same person who, interestingly enough, still has not responded to the question (although he no doubt enjoys the fact that you have his back).

Hey, I can make an argument that if the state and the FHSAA are going to allow school choice, players and their families who are considering a transfer should be allowed to speak with the head coach or some other representative of each school that they are considering.  But, as it stands now, that’s simply not allowed  . . . which I suspect is why my question has not been answered.    

[Perspective]

5 hours ago, skyway said:

My comment a little bit above was simply in reference to Gator saying the kids had spoken to both programs, while Perspective only seemed interested in the conversation with Lakeland, even though it was said he spoke to both. Anyone who's followed Perspective's comments over the years understands why he'd focus only one way, just as anyone seeing your avatar knows why you focus one way. My aim to is to speak with stark honesty about what's going on. But, just like with politics and matters of ideology, people only want to focus outrage in the direction of the other tribe; never their own.

At this point, I really don't have a dog in the fight as far as high school football goes.  I certainly have no dog in this particular fight (i.e., whether a kid transferred to Lakeland or Osceola).    Like you, I'd love for us all to be honest about what goes on.   The way I read LakelandGator's post, he was telling the story of a QB was going to transfer and that the kid and his family were considering two possible options:  Lakeland and Osceola.  If I lived in the Lakeland/Winter Haven/Poinciana/Kissimmee area and had a kid who showed promise in football, and my kid was unhappy with his current school (for legit reasons), those two schools would certainly be high on my list as well. 

But then the post went a little further and implied that the kid and/or his family had visited both schools and spoken with both coaches.  This was done to deflect criticism that one of the schools was outwardly recruiting the kid.  But, in laying out the defense, I think LakelandGator inadvertently revealed knowledge of one of the secret truths that probably goes on every day across the state:  kids and their families privately/secretly have conversations with coaches from other schools when they are considering a transfer. 

Again, as I just said in my other post, I could make the argument that kids and their families should be allowed to reach out to coaches from other schools and discuss whether there is a mutual interest, a good fit, a similar philosophy, a need at a particular position, etc.     But, at present, that's not allowed.  The FHSAA considers this to be recruiting, just as if the coach had reached out to the kid or his parents. 

So, if this is the way it went down with this particular kid (i.e., he visited either or both schools and spoke with either or both coaches), who's going to step up and say "yeah, that's what happened" and run the risk that the kid is declared ineligible and "his team" gets hurt in the process?  Who's willing to be starkly honest about it? 

(Using my Jack Nicholson voice and paraphrasing just a bit):  "You want the truth, Skyway?  Can you handle the truth?"  

[DisabledAccount]

6 minutes ago, Perspective said:

At this point, I really don't have a dog in the fight as far as high school football goes.  I certainly have no dog in this particular fight (i.e., whether a kid transferred to Lakeland or Osceola).    Like you, I'd love for us all to be honest about what goes on.   The way I read LakelandGator's post, he was telling the story of a QB was going to transfer and that the kid and his family were considering two possible options:  Lakeland and Osceola.  If I lived in the Lakeland/Winter Haven/Poinciana/Kissimmee area and had a kid who showed promise in football, and my kid was unhappy with his current school (for legit reasons), those two schools would certainly be high on my list as well. 

But then the post went a little further and implied that the kid and/or his family had visited both schools and spoken with both coaches.  This was done to deflect criticism that one of the schools was outwardly recruiting the kid.  But, in laying out the defense, I think LakelandGator inadvertently revealed knowledge of one of the secret truths that probably goes on every day across the state:  kids and their families privately/secretly have conversations with coaches from other schools when they are considering a transfer. 

Again, as I just said in my other post, I could make the argument that kids and their families should be allowed to reach out to coaches from other schools and discuss whether there is a mutual interest, a good fit, a similar philosophy, a need at a particular position, etc.     But, at present, that's not allowed.  The FHSAA considers this to be recruiting, just as if the coach had reached out to the kid or his parents. 

So, if this is the way it went down with this particular kid (i.e., he visited either or both schools and spoke with either or both coaches), who's going to step up and say "yeah, that's what happened" and run the risk that the kid is declared ineligible and "his team" gets hurt in the process?  Who's willing to be starkly honest about it? 

(Using my Jack Nicholson voice and paraphrasing just a bit):  "You want the truth, Skyway?  Can you handle the truth?"  

The only Lakeland posters on these boards who know what the truth is would be @Nulli Secundusand @gwdrum75

[Perspective]

19 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

The only Lakeland posters on these boards who know what the truth is would be @Nulli Secundusand @gwdrum75

But to Skyway's point, who's going to disclose wrongdoings of a team they support? 

[DisabledAccount]

4 minutes ago, Perspective said:

But to Skyway's point, who's going to disclose wrongdoings of a team they support? 

Honestly I think that is true that most people aren't gonna say something if their program is doing something wrong at least publicly

 

There have been times talking to people privately I would be open to critically judging some decisions but after all considering I've been pushed out of programs for not openly bashing them only for someone else to lie and say I did so I guess it's tough to know what the right decision is 

 

There are definitely cases that sometimes you can't protect everything a program does yet still be a supporter 

[Nulli Secundus]

4 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

The only Lakeland posters on these boards who know what the truth is would be @Nulli Secundusand @gwdrum75

I hope GW returns one day.  Although he graduated from Manatee, he grew up in Lakeland and we attended the same junior high back in the day.  He would've been at Lakeland had he not moved to Bradenton for high school.  He has a wealth of knowledge as most of this family graduated from Lakeland.  As most of you already know, he has game tapes on Lakeland for days.  Unfortunately, he and his family have experienced severe tragedy over the last year.  That coupled with just living life and there's no telling when he may return.  I wish him all the best. 

Regarding the truth, I only speak on things that have a clear cut paper trail (historical) OR things that I have witnessed for myself.  These days, very little interaction with the Dreadnaught programs as I'm here in Atlanta and don't follow the program as closely as I did say 10-15 years ago.  The last game I attended was Lakeland/Norland in '06 with my wife (Norland grad) if that gives you any idea.

I try my best to not repeat items from people who I KNOW are in Lakeland and close to the program.  In other words I don't repeat stories I've heard, speculation and hearsay.  The only situation I would even mention that I witnessed (in part) is why Lakeland has not scheduled a game in Miami (or S. Fl for that matter) since 1992 but I imagine anyone could figure that one out, LOL.  I could post stories all day about how coaches around Polk county have complained about the Dreadnaught program poaching players for decades.  I can also tell you (or anyone) that I've heard about some "things" happening at Lakeland before I even got to high school as it was never a well kept secret.  The way the game is today with choice, I don't have the time or energy to keep up with that so I don't.  

Regarding other Lakeland posters, I won't bash them as they support Lakeland, LOL.  Whatever their methods are of obtaining info is how they operate.  I'm not gonna question it.  It's entertaining at the least and even if some things can be debunked, I've seen some things that have turned out to be true.  

Thanks for the shout out @ColumbiaHighFan2017class

[Ray Icaza]

1 hour ago, Nulli Secundus said:

I hope GW returns one day.  Although he graduated from Manatee, he grew up in Lakeland and we attended the same junior high back in the day.  He would've been at Lakeland had he not moved to Bradenton for high school.  He has a wealth of knowledge as most of this family graduated from Lakeland.  As most of you already know, he has game tapes on Lakeland for days.  Unfortunately, he and his family have experienced severe tragedy over the last year.  That coupled with just living life and there's no telling when he may return.  I wish him all the best. 

Regarding the truth, I only speak on things that have a clear cut paper trail (historical) OR things that I have witnessed for myself.  These days, very little interaction with the Dreadnaught programs as I'm here in Atlanta and don't follow the program as closely as I did say 10-15 years ago.  The last game I attended was Lakeland/Norland in '06 with my wife (Norland grad) if that gives you any idea.

I try my best to not repeat items from people who I KNOW are in Lakeland and close to the program.  In other words I don't repeat stories I've heard, speculation and hearsay.  The only situation I would even mention that I witnessed (in part) is why Lakeland has not scheduled a game in Miami (or S. Fl for that matter) since 1992 but I imagine anyone could figure that one out, LOL.  I could post stories all day about how coaches around Polk county have complained about the Dreadnaught program poaching players for decades.  I can also tell you (or anyone) that I've heard about some "things" happening at Lakeland before I even got to high school as it was never a well kept secret.  The way the game is today with choice, I don't have the time or energy to keep up with that so I don't.  

Regarding other Lakeland posters, I won't bash them as they support Lakeland, LOL.  Whatever their methods are of obtaining info is how they operate.  I'm not gonna question it.  It's entertaining at the least and even if some things can be debunked, I've seen some things that have turned out to be true.  

Thanks for the shout out @ColumbiaHighFan2017class

You are right, many posts are quite entertaining but your sober analysis earns respect. 

[topnotch305]

On 8/14/2022 at 11:52 PM, VeniceIndiansFootball said:

Wow that is one damn tough schedule. No guaranteed wins. Losses will be Venice, CMD, and Central. 

Venice??? LOL

[topnotch305]

On 8/15/2022 at 6:24 PM, VeniceIndiansFootball said:

Northwestern is not worried about Central or Venice? This comment is not going to age well. Our defense returns Damon Wilson, Trenton Kintigh, Sage Yootzy, Elliot Washington, and Shamarion Wilson on top of transfers Deylen Platt and Kammrin Herring. MNW has a run first offense, so good luck moving the ball against one of the best defensive lines in the state. Northwestern will need at least 28 points to defeat Venice. The Bulls can win but it’s going to be easy. Best of luck! 

Yeah this didn't age well. LOL.. I'm very disappointed on the way NW started and finished. Mainly with the coaches. Started to conservative and had only 1 or zero safety in obvious passing situations (coach Max smh). And the special tems miscues continue to haunt us. Another kick return for a td and a onside kick recovery. Venice had issues with special teams as well. Tyger played ok off to a subpar start has to pick it up rest of the season. Venice dline did not impress me. NW gashed their dline all game long and Jamari Ford didn't even play. It was a senior, soph, and freshman that ran over that defense. Those boys were worn down. Damion Wilson did nothing tonight. Like I said (hate to admit it) Reuben Bain is the best d lineman in the state. That's who really gives and will continue to give MNW and everybody else problems just like IMG last night. Fans and staff of Venice were nice at least and it was an enjoyable ride home. If Venice doesn't find a line this could be a long season with the schedule they have.

[topnotch305]

On 8/15/2022 at 4:53 PM, topnotch305 said:

Toughest game will be Chaminade. Not worried about those other 2 teams mentioned. Last year you win KOC and i guess that trickles over to this year because Venice is at home? We will see in 2 weeks. I'm not saying nothing about how good NW is this year. You will see for yourself. Central is overrated this year. Yes i said it. Overrated.

Ok ok maybe that team on 95th street is not overrated lol. I mean I out of all people knew that but we are rivals we say stuff like that but that game is always the biggest game of the year and we might have to play them 3x this year which is crazy. But hey  didn't think they could do it but they slayed the giant tonight congrats to them, (That hurt saying congrats lol)

[FBGUY1989]

3 hours ago, topnotch305 said:

Ok ok maybe that team on 95th street is not overrated lol. I mean I out of all people knew that but we are rivals we say stuff like that but that game is always the biggest game of the year and we might have to play them 3x this year which is crazy. But hey  didn't think they could do it but they slayed the giant tonight congrats to them, (That hurt saying congrats lol)

Yeah you right. Regular season game, GMAC game and depending on the playoffs with this new crazy system they might play again

[Dan in Daytona]

5 hours ago, topnotch305 said:

Yeah this didn't age well. LOL.. I'm very disappointed on the way NW started and finished. Mainly with the coaches. Started to conservative and had only 1 or zero safety in obvious passing situations (coach Max smh). And the special tems miscues continue to haunt us. Another kick return for a td and a onside kick recovery. Venice had issues with special teams as well. Tyger played ok off to a subpar start has to pick it up rest of the season. Venice dline did not impress me. NW gashed their dline all game long and Jamari Ford didn't even play. It was a senior, soph, and freshman that ran over that defense. Those boys were worn down. Damion Wilson did nothing tonight. Like I said (hate to admit it) Reuben Bain is the best d lineman in the state. That's who really gives and will continue to give MNW and everybody else problems just like IMG last night. Fans and staff of Venice were nice at least and it was an enjoyable ride home. If Venice doesn't find a line this could be a long season with the schedule they have.

Is Reuben Bain kin to Tolbert Bain and Travarous Bain ? I remember those names back in the day. My wife got family on NW 117th and also others under the Traz Powell stadium lights. Front yard lit up every game   

[topnotch305]

1 hour ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:

Of course you dislike Central as evidenced by the fact that you thought IMG would beat them. Even though they were easily the best team in the state coming into the season, some thought IMG would blow them away. You also told me MNW isn’t a run first team. What I saw last night definitely runs counter to that narrative. FFS would it kill people to be honest on this board? Goodness gracious. 

Lets not stray away from the original back and forth about YOUR INDIANS... You thought they would beat IMG and told me to count Venice as a loss on the schedule, wrote this long you know what paragraph about your all world defense which was trash. And why would I stop running the ball if you can't stop it?? Venice couldn't stop it so they kept running it. Last year we couldn't run the ball so we slug it all over the field this year our line is better. Stop being petty and say NW better than Venice since you like giving props to other teams than your own lol.

[topnotch305]

8 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:

Is Reuben Bain kin to Tolbert Bain and Travarous Bain ? I remember those names back in the day. My wife got family on NW 117th and also others under the Traz Powell stadium lights. Front yard lit up every game   

Im not sure but i kno some people who may kno. 

[topnotch305]

7 hours ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:

Congratulations to MNW on the win. Our defense wasn’t trash lol you guys scored 7 in the first half. Both teams have a lot to work on going forward. Venice had two touchdowns called back in the first quarter and MNW had some bad procedure penalties that I thought were iffy, but overall need to be cleaned up. But my point was that you lied about MNW not being a “run-first” team in spite of them having over 50 rushing attempts. You lied about Miami Central being “overrated” in spite of knowledge about their incredible offseason and then you lied some more when you said MC was a “run-first” offense even though this is the most balanced they have been in years. But sure, change the subject when confronted with facts. You’d make a great politician! 

You lied about a low scoring game lied about your team beating NW, lied about how good your team was, make excuses every week about how your team is much better than they played..  I can see it now every loss u will make a excuse lol. I already made a post about MC what more do you want?  I kno you don't want to talk about how many yards NW ran on you guys since you bought up the run?  Talk about the lies you told. Don't be so scorned or bitter its only football lol.

[DisabledAccount]

On 8/23/2022 at 10:08 PM, topnotch305 said:

IMG 42 Central 14 maybe 21... Central starting QB gets antsy in the pocket when facing a good dline. The other one he splits time with will run but he's not that accurate of a passer. Their oline did pretty well last year but didn't face a dline like this one. Central is a run first team. If they can't run the ball and control the clock it will get ugly.

This post really didn't age well 

 

If only there was a poster on this board saying that IMG is overrated since 2018, oh wait he's right here lol 

[DisabledAccount]

Maybe it's possible that IMG just didn't have a good DL, the one I saw in 2018 was highly rated but maybe at best the 4th best pass rush I saw that year 

 

Particularly because IMG plays half ass and only shows up when it's some rivals camp for college scouts 

[cribboy305]

Yall talkin bout who said it first, I remember I was going back n forth with all of yall bout who the kings of florida was way back in the summer only to be told it was sta by all of ya. venice, dillard, columbia.. all yall boys disagreed now look at yall. lol

[cribboy305]

8 minutes ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:

I said it first when you claimed that IMG would be MC's only loss. I said the Rockets would win and I was right because MC was easily the best team in FL and a top 20 team in the nation.

I said thats the only loss I could see. Never said they lose that again, in fact I said they would win. that dont negate the facts tho, I stressed they ran florida

[topnotch305]

2 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

This post really didn't age well 

 

If only there was a poster on this board saying that IMG is overrated since 2018, oh wait he's right here lol 

Mr columbia guy lol.  Thats funny just like your signature with all your school winner up accomplishments.

[DisabledAccount]

1 hour ago, cribboy305 said:

Yall talkin bout who said it first, I remember I was going back n forth with all of yall bout who the kings of florida was way back in the summer only to be told it was sta by all of ya. venice, dillard, columbia.. all yall boys disagreed now look at yall. lol

I ranked Miami Central number 1 in the state, what are you talking about?

[DisabledAccount]

12 minutes ago, topnotch305 said:

Mr columbia guy lol.  Thats funny just like your signature with all your school winner up accomplishments.

So because I'm proud of my school I suddenly am clueless about sports

 

I've been saying for years IMG is overrated and you only bashed Central because your still salty they beat the bulls twice last year