Playoff Bracket Release

[Perspective]

Looks like the FHSAA is trying to spice things up a little is doing a "Live" bracket release this Friday night at 6:00 on YouTube.

[THAT S--T WAS FUNNY]

Wish they would have come out with the new rankings this Tuesday like they usually do and then do it again on Friday with the reveal show. Some teams will have played two or even three more games than what was on the last rankings. With not knowing the formula it makes it tough to figure out if you're a coach trying to prepare.

[Dr. D]

The FHSAA staff is probably too busy out in the field investigating recruiting violations and ineligible players.  

[Ray Icaza]

1 hour ago, Dr. D said:

The FHSAA staff is probably too busy out in the field investigating recruiting violations and ineligible players.  

Then having to follow up and re-calculate the seedings based on said suspensions/forfeits.

[Joshua Wilson]

PLAYOFF BRACKET ANALYSIS SHOW TONIGHT at 7:30 PM ET

“THE DRIVE TO STATE” will be THE SHOW you will want to watch during for the remainder of the 2024 high school football season in Florida as we look at the playoffs for all 8 classifications with the FHSAA reveal of the 2024 Playoff Brackets. Join hosts Joshua Wilson & Christopher Lyke along with selected guests with analysis and breakdowns of the brackets. Also, select special interviews from coaches of some of the state's top-ranked teams who will join us on this special "THE DRIVE TO STATE" SHOW! It will be a jammed packed show and lots of information to digest and breakdown.

Jon Santucci, Mike Ridaught, Bob Putnam and Larry Blustein will be special guests tonight!

[KeemD321]

Looks like the FHSAA already messed up on one of the brackets. Apparently The Villages made it in over Astronaut after losing to Astronaut in their last district game and Astronaut being ahead of them heading into that game as well

[THAT S--T WAS FUNNY]

 

8 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:

Looks like the FHSAA already messed up on one of the brackets. Apparently The Villages made it in over Astronaut after losing to Astronaut in their last district game and Astronaut being ahead of them heading into that game as well

That big boom you just heard was the FHSAA crashing back down to reality. Looks like the FHSAA's belly is back to sticking out further than their chest. LOL

[nolebull813]

46 minutes ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:

 

That big boom you just heard was the FHSAA crashing back down to reality. Looks like the FHSAA's belly is back to sticking out further than their chest. LOL

Seems like the took some performance enhancers that finally wore off: Lol

[THAT S--T WAS FUNNY]

Just now, nolebull813 said:

Seems like the took some performance enhancers that finally wore off: Lol

Yeah they got off the "TEST" cold turkey. Cant do that...LOL

[h8r]

1 hour ago, KeemD321 said:

Looks like the FHSAA already messed up on one of the brackets. Apparently The Villages made it in over Astronaut after losing to Astronaut in their last district game and Astronaut being ahead of them heading into that game as well

several of those out there,

better district record and higher strength of schedule matters very little from what it appears

looks like a rush job by the clowns to get this done fast, nobody checked their work, said F it, its good.  were a week behind on playoff dollars.  LFG....

 

[nolebull813]

How is district champ Mitchell the 4 seed at 10-0 after beating runner up Wiregrass by 3 touchdowns, and WR is the 3 seed in the same region? 

[nolebull813]

59 minutes ago, h8r said:

several of those out there,

better district record and higher strength of schedule matters very little from what it appears

looks like a rush job by the clowns to get this done fast, nobody checked their work, said F it, its good.  were a week behind on playoff dollars.  LFG....

 

Yeah and the rankings they use don’t even update until next week 

[THAT S--T WAS FUNNY]

What a s--t show

[nolebull813]

9 minutes ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:

What a s--t show

An embarrassment to the sport, and to the governing of athletics in general. 

[KeemD321]

Florida Today uploaded photos of the Astronaut vs Villages game with the caption reading "Astronaut wins Thursday to make the playoffs." Lol that didn't last long lol they just updated the title not long ago 

[DarterBlue2]

2 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

How is district champ Mitchell the 4 seed at 10-0 after beating runner up Wiregrass by 3 touchdowns, and WR is the 3 seed in the same region? 

Einstein couldn't figure that one out let alone mere mortals. 

[Ray Icaza]

In 5A - R4, the #1 seed is Atlantic bumping STA Raiders to the #2 seed.  I imagine Atlantic has a very good team but who really believes they are better than STA??  Cases like this can be made all over the bracket board.  So don't take it personal and accuse the governing body of "CHEATING" you when most likely it is a glitch in the system that has affected many adversely as opposed to singling you out. 

[SportsFan]

18 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

In 5A - R4, the #1 seed is Atlantic bumping STA Raiders to the #2 seed.  I imagine Atlantic has a very good team but who really believes they are better than STA??  Cases like this can be made all over the bracket board.  So don't take it personal and accuse the governing body of "CHEATING" you when most likely it is a glitch in the system that has affected many adversely as opposed to singling you out. 

The issue is the fact that when you have a ranking system with no way to double check results you can't prove or disprove if someone WASN'T cheated!

Lack of transparency created this which is why they should have stuck with the RPI formula and made adjustments to the weights until they found the right balance 

[Dr. D]

Another consequence of the situation you describe above, is that if chalk holds, STA would have to travel to Lakeland in the 5A semi-finals.  Under this scenario, STA would be the #4 seed and Lakeland would be the #1 seed.  The 5A final would almost be anticlimactic.  

[Ray Icaza]

16 minutes ago, Dr. D said:

Another consequence of the situation you describe above, is that if chalk holds, STA would have to travel to Lakeland in the 5A semi-finals.  Under this scenario, STA would be the #4 seed and Lakeland would be the #1 seed.  The 5A final would almost be anticlimactic.  

Which happened two years ago when we were seeded below Vero (which was wrong) and had to travel there only to give them a thumping in their house before traveling to Lakeland the following week.  That turned out to be a much more competitive game than the final vs Venice ....... guess that was also anticlimactic.  Point being, we weren't happy with the ranking system and though I say in jest they don't like blue and gold, I really don't believe they sit in a smoke-filled room figuring out how to "CHEAT" teams like ours.  I could be wrong, but now that it has happened to STA seems a clear indication it can happen to anyone.  No cheating involved, just simple incompetency.  And yes, lack of transparency leads to conspiracy theories but theories are not FACTS!!  That is a fact. 

[h8r]

22 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:

Which happened two years ago when we were seeded below Vero (which was wrong) and had to travel there only to give them a thumping in their house before traveling to Lakeland the following week.  That turned out to be a much more competitive game than the final vs Venice ....... guess that was also anticlimactic.  Point being, we weren't happy with the ranking system and though I say in jest they don't like blue and gold, I really don't believe they sit in a smoke-filled room figuring out how to "CHEAT" teams like ours.  I could be wrong, but now that it has happened to STA seems a clear indication it can happen to anyone.  No cheating involved, just simple incompetency.  And yes, lack of transparency leads to conspiracy theories but theories are not FACTS!!  That is a fact. 

ok, so call them conspiracy facts, teams mentioned above, mitchell has head to head win over wiregrass and is 10-0, but is seeded lower.  

did you see the astronaut debacle?  they beat villages charter on thursday in a district game, to have a better record than them in the district, along with better strength of schdule, ranking, etc. 

fast forward 24 hrs and they magically have a worse ranking and villages charter at 0-2 in district play is the 7 seed and astro is totally out.....

I also saw the team down the road from you, saint cloud is in a similar situation with tohopekliga.  head to head win, better sos, etc.  but is out.

thats not theory,

those are facts.  

and the fhsaa dumb dumbs wont answer any questions as it makes them look bad.  some computer ranking told a false story for these 3 teams mentioned(I promise there are more than just 3) .  

unfortunate for kids and coaches who deserve the chance to be there.

 

[Ray Icaza]

1 hour ago, h8r said:

ok, so call them conspiracy facts, teams mentioned above, mitchell has head to head win over wiregrass and is 10-0, but is seeded lower.  

did you see the astronaut debacle?  they beat villages charter on thursday in a district game, to have a better record than them in the district, along with better strength of schdule, ranking, etc. 

fast forward 24 hrs and they magically have a worse ranking and villages charter at 0-2 in district play is the 7 seed and astro is totally out.....

I also saw the team down the road from you, saint cloud is in a similar situation with tohopekliga.  head to head win, better sos, etc.  but is out.

thats not theory,

those are facts.  

and the fhsaa dumb dumbs wont answer any questions as it makes them look bad.  some computer ranking told a false story for these 3 teams mentioned(I promise there are more than just 3) .  

unfortunate for kids and coaches who deserve the chance to be there.

 

You are preaching to the choir my friend.  I just gave you a strong example with our team 2 years ago supporting the fact the rankings are flawed.  But just to enlighten you, the theory is stating that "CHEATING" is involved.  That my friend is not FACT as these examples you spent time listing only show flaws and do not prove the other.  Just this past week we beat St. Pete Lakewood, a team headed to the playoffs and dropped in the rankings so I understand the frustration.  

[Trelle]

On 11/9/2024 at 10:37 AM, Ray Icaza said:

Which happened two years ago when we were seeded below Vero (which was wrong) and had to travel there only to give them a thumping in their house before traveling to Lakeland the following week.  That turned out to be a much more competitive game than the final vs Venice ....... guess that was also anticlimactic.  Point being, we weren't happy with the ranking system and though I say in jest they don't like blue and gold, I really don't believe they sit in a smoke-filled room figuring out how to "CHEAT" teams like ours.  I could be wrong, but now that it has happened to STA seems a clear indication it can happen to anyone.  No cheating involved, just simple incompetency.  And yes, lack of transparency leads to conspiracy theories but theories are not FACTS!!  That is a fact. 

So how was being seeded #2 behind Vero wrong who was seeded #1? You guys were 7-3 and Vero was 9-1. Based on a common opponent in Treasure Coast which both teams beat (Vero 10-7, Osceola 14-5, and then again in the playoffs 10-7) the seeding was right. 3 losses vs 1 loss, both teams had close games with a common opponent… No one is or was 2 years ago trying to cheat Osceola.

[Ray Icaza]

2 hours ago, Trelle said:

So how was being seeded #2 behind Vero wrong who was seeded #1? You guys were 7-3 and Vero was 9-1. Based on a common opponent in Treasure Coast which both teams beat (Vero 10-7, Osceola 14-5, and then again in the playoffs 10-7) the seeding was right. 3 losses vs 1 loss, both teams had close games with a common opponent… No one is or was 2 years ago trying to cheat Osceola.

We were seeded #2 in our region with Vero #1.  Again, how can I be any clearer that I didn't then or don't now believe folks in the FHSAA found a way to "CHEAT" OHS in the rankings.   Based on strength of schedule our 3 losses were to Lakeland (25-22) the eventual state champ, OT loss to Seminole (28-27) a game we should have won with another title contender and Jones in a game we committed 7 TO's.  Wins include demolition of Rockledge who at early season was nationally ranked and demolition of Mainland, who battled Lake Wales down to the wire for a state title that year.  Vero's resume was nowhere close and the final score at their house (31-7), which doesn't really reflect the dominance in the game confirms this opinion.  Simply put, these rankings are flawed as 100% of posters on this forum believe and this was an example of it.  Just my opinion. 

[Longtime Observer]

On 11/9/2024 at 8:10 AM, Dr. D said:

Another consequence of the situation you describe above, is that if chalk holds, STA would have to travel to Lakeland in the 5A semi-finals.  Under this scenario, STA would be the #4 seed and Lakeland would be the #1 seed.  The 5A final would almost be anticlimactic.  

Full disclosure: I don't have any idea if this is true or not. I was thinking the semis would be R1 vs. R2 and R3 vs. R4. Meaning Lakeland and STA couldn't meet until the finals. But, I don't really know, and I'm not sure anyone else knows, either. LOL

There was very nearly a big controversy that would've gone against Lakeland. Central was Lakeland's biggest win, as the Rockets won every other game they played on the field. Due to being forced to forfeit all of those wins, Central's record showed up as 0-9, which was probably then Lakeland's WORST win. Lakeland thus went from being comfortably number 1 5A, to BARELY holding on to the #1 seed by the smallest of margins. Lakeland was four-tenths of a point away from falling to the #4 seed, which would've likely meant traveling for a game or two. All because, off the field, an 8-1 team was switched to 0-9 in the last week. I wonder if the switch in record really DID push Lakeland down, and the FHSAA "fudged" things a little to avert the controversy. Of course, with a SECRET formula, they'd be free to do that and no one could know for sure.